[PhilG007]

Phil, a challenge has been issued. Do you dare to accept? Now we see who's the better player

[diana_eva]

PhilG007, on 2016-April-30, 07:08, said:

Your challenge has been accepted and completed

Thanks. Not bad I got you by bidding 3 games, but in rest it was even (16 boards, IMPs, random hands). I played it fair, no crazy GIB stuff, just human bridge:

http://webutil.bridg...298&u=diana_eva

Looking forward to Phil vs PhilG

[Vampyr]

PhilG007, on 2016-April-30, 01:54, said:

Her bidding system was CAB which asked for Aces 'up the line' That was popular in the 30s

Fine, but why would she bother arguing about it?

[barmar]

PhilG007, on 2016-April-29, 13:38, said:

Everything I stated in my topic on 'Etiquette' in another forum has been glaringly borne out in this one.
Anyone who is new to these boards is probably thinking "Whatever happened to this nice friendly game called
'Bridge'(?) Is it no wonder nobody wants to take up the game if they have to face the sort of bullying and harassment
I've had to undergo????
Well get this,since none of you own this site,you have no control what is said on it. As a patron,I have every right to
say what I want to. Anyone who disagrees with it can just ignore it as though it were invisible.

You start a deliberately provocative thread, and then complain that bridge is not "friendly"?

And since when was bridge ever really considered friendly? I thought Zero Tolerance was a direct reaction to the fact that duplicate bridge had become very unfriendly. And that was something like 15-20 years ago.

[Phil]

Been at a tourney all day. Will look for the invite when I get home or maybe tomorrow. Thanks for setting it up.

[neilkaz]

So in these challenges, who are each players' PD's? GIBs? Or? How are they scored etc?

[1eyedjack]

neilkaz, on 2016-April-30, 20:46, said:

So in these challenges, who are each players' PD's? GIBs? Or? How are they scored etc?

It is a 2 table match between 2 individuals. 2 humans sit South. 6 robots occupy the other seats. Everyone plays robot system.

Challenger sets number of hands and type of scoring.

MP is a bit weird because there is only one comparison for each hand. Effectively point-a board.

Not sure whether robots in play are basic or advanced. But you are not paying for them so basic seems likely. Perhaps Barmar can clarify? I have seen this asked before but missed the answer if there was one.

[PhilG007]

Vampyr, on 2016-April-30, 10:54, said:

Fine, but why would she bother arguing about it?

For the same reason as we are arguing here,I suspect.

[PhilG007]

barmar, on 2016-April-30, 19:49, said:

You start a deliberately provocative thread, and then complain that bridge is not "friendly"?

And since when was bridge ever really considered friendly? I thought Zero Tolerance was a direct reaction to the fact that duplicate bridge had become very unfriendly. And that was something like 15-20 years ago.

"And since when was bridge ever really considered friendly?"

For answer I quote from a classic bridge book :-
" Why is it,Master Robert,that you humans so often hold disagreeable post mortems? You sit down to play
a game as part of your social life. In many cases the players are friends,and in others club acquaintances
who are at least supposed to be friendly. Yet how often you say cruel,hurtful,bitter things to each other when all
you are doing is discussing the technique of a sport. In other sports,golfers,chess players,footballers and anglers
talk vigorously about their exploits-sometimes not too truthfully. But they hardly ever allow their debates to become
acrimonious and seldom express themselves rudely or bitingly. Discussions of bidding and play can be of enthralling
interest,and things of sheer intellectual delight can be discovered that way. Why,then,don't you humans just enjoy them,
without so frequently making them accusatory,quarrelsome,and sometimes even the occasion for a broken friendship?
Why is it,Master Robert?"

-The Nine of Hearts in "Right through the Pack"

[PhilG007]

A very good question. Does anyone have a answer?

[gwnn]

This song probably applies to all of us to some extent.

https://www.youtube....h?v=0la5DBtOVNI

[Phil]

PhilG007, on 2016-April-30, 07:12, said:

Phil, a challenge has been issued. Do you dare to accept? Now we see who's the better player

I just finished the hands. But I didn't see the result - maybe you haven't played the set yet?

[gwnn]

Phil, on 2016-May-01, 10:34, said:

I just finished the hands. But I didn't see the result - maybe you haven't played the set yet?

He can't play the set before you accept the challenge.

[Phil]

gwnn, on 2016-May-01, 10:52, said:

He can't play the set before you accept the challenge.

Weird. So if you challenge someone you can't play the boards first? Because if its an open challenge you can play the boards first.

[gwnn]

Phil, on 2016-May-01, 11:08, said:

Weird. So if you challenge someone you can't play the boards first? Because if its an open challenge you can play the boards first.

That's correct. There was a suggestion to change this recently. I think it's a good one.

[Vampyr]

PhilG007, on 2016-May-01, 06:47, said:

For the same reason as we are arguing here,I suspect.

That is a ludicrous suggestion.

[barmar]

Phil, on 2016-May-01, 11:08, said:

Weird. So if you challenge someone you can't play the boards first? Because if its an open challenge you can play the boards first.

For a friend challenge, there's little point in playing the boards if the friend might decline the challenge, so we wait for acceptance. But for arena challenges, we assume that eventually someone will accept, so there's no reason to wait.

[gwnn]

barmar, on 2016-May-02, 08:47, said:

For a friend challenge, there's little point in playing the boards if the friend might decline the challenge, so we wait for acceptance. But for arena challenges, we assume that eventually someone will accept, so there's no reason to wait.

The point of playing the challenge before the friend accepts is that you are done faster. If I know my friend and know that he/she will accept, it would save time for both of us. You should at least allow the challenger to decide themselves.

[barmar]

gwnn, on 2016-May-02, 08:54, said:

The point of playing the challenge before the friend accepts is that you are done faster. If I know my friend and know that he/she will accept, it would save time for both of us. You should at least allow the challenger to decide themselves.

Good idea.

I kept inviting a friend, he never accepted. I think because he still uses the old version of BBO, so never saw the invitations.

[hrothgar]

barmar, on 2016-May-02, 08:47, said:

For a friend challenge, there's little point in playing the boards if the friend might decline the challenge, so we wait for acceptance. But for arena challenges, we assume that eventually someone will accept, so there's no reason to wait.

I'd be worried about people

1. generating challenge
2. Playing some boards
3. getting a bad score
4. canceling the challenge

All before the challenge notices what's up