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IMP, E-W Vul, what do you bid?

Poll: IMP, E-W Vul, what do you bid? (32 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your bid?

  1. 3♣ (13 votes [40.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.62%

  2. 3♥ (4 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  3. 3♠ (6 votes [18.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

  4. 4♦ (7 votes [21.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.88%

  5. 4♥ (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 5♦ (2 votes [6.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

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Posted 2016-May-14, 11:23


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Posted 2016-May-14, 11:43

Partner has some kind of 1354 with 15-17 HCPs. All our honors are working, but slam is unlikely (x AQx AKxxx KJxx is a max and so-so slam). It is IMPs so 5D.
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Posted 2016-May-14, 11:58

While slam is unlikely, what's the rush? Opener may be 0364. - Axx AKxxxx KQJx. With a possible misfit he may choose not to jump to 3♣ or 3♦. Bid 3♣ for now. Let partner in on the final contract.
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Posted 2016-May-14, 12:07

Why didn't I bid 2NT over 2♣?
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Posted 2016-May-14, 12:55

What is 2H? 4th suit forcing? The opening post doesn't alert.

If it is 4sf, I would bid 2NT. If it isn't 4sf, then our hand has suddenly grown in strength - but I don't know what continuations I can now bid, that are forcing?
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Posted 2016-May-14, 13:35

 TylerE, on 2016-May-14, 12:07, said:

Why didn't I bid 2NT over 2♣?

Because you weren't strong enough.
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Posted 2016-May-14, 17:05

I will try 3h having denied 4 cards in hearts I hope
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Posted 2016-May-14, 22:01

Since 2♦ agreed ♦ (albeit a potential false preference), 2♥ is forward going. Let's do so slowly - 3♣ is the next control bid. We will not stop short of 5♦ and can consider 6♦ if partner happens to control bid a ♠ void. We have 2 keys to offer partner if they then choose minorwood/kickback.
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Posted 2016-May-14, 22:27

 Wayne_LV, on 2016-May-14, 11:23, said:

IMO partner has 0-2 ♠s, 0-3 ♥s, 5+ ♦s, 4+ ♣s, a good shapely hand. I rank
  • 3♥ = NAT or CUE. Showing ♥ stop and worry about 3N. Partner has already denied 4 ♥s.
  • 3N = MAX. With good ♥ stop.
  • 2N = NAT. With ♥ stop but partner might pass.
  • 3♣ = CUE.
  • 5♦ = NAT. With values in partner's suits but your 4333 shape may disappoint partner :(
  • 4♦ = NAT. Blame transfer.
  • 3♦ = NAT. Underbid.
  • 4♥ = SPL? Misdescriptive.
  • 3♠ = NAT. Masochistic.

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Posted 2016-May-15, 02:00

Can partner not be 1444?

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Posted 2016-May-15, 04:08

 Wayne_LV, on 2016-May-14, 11:23, said:




2♥ shows opener holds exact 17hcp , maybe with 4441,5440 and 5431 shapes, singleton or voidness in ♠, so responder needs to probe for potential slam slowly, 3♣ is a best choice in this point.
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Posted 2016-May-15, 05:53

3♦. So I cannot reply to the poll.
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Posted 2016-May-15, 06:17

I would regard the 2♥ as 4th suit forcing asking for a ♥ stopper
As I have 3 honors in the suit I would chance 3NT and hope that the spade bid acts
as a lead deterrent. As there is a known 17 count opposite and I only have 9,
I wouldn't even be thinking of a slam.
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Posted 2016-May-15, 07:02

I've been away too long.

Why no votes for a 3♠ "Bluhmer" bid? This can't logically be natural, so can (and should) be used to show the nuts for our previous bidding and zero points in spades. Partner is implying spade shortage - maybe he has:

♠-
♥Axx
♦AQxxxx
♣KQJx

Job done.
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Posted 2016-May-15, 07:48

PhilKing has it exactly right. Not hard, if he reads the Bridge Bulletin like I do: this exact hand was in last months "It's Your Call" competition. The plurality of the super expert panel bid 3♠.
Lou Bluhm championed the bid to show a balanced hand, maximum for his first two (weak) calls, with nothing wasted in spades and all cards working. It is forcing to game in a minor, and leaves it to opener to decide if a minor suit slam is possible.
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Posted 2016-May-15, 08:08

 notproven, on 2016-May-15, 07:48, said:

PhilKing has it exactly right. Not hard, if he reads the Bridge Bulletin like I do: this exact hand was in last months "It's Your Call" competition. The plurality of the super expert panel bid 3♠.Lou Bluhm championed the bid to show a balanced hand, maximum for his first two (weak) calls, with nothing wasted in spades and all cards working. It is forcing to game in a minor, and leaves it to opener to decide if a minor suit slam is possible.
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Posted 2016-May-15, 08:18

 notproven, on 2016-May-15, 07:48, said:

PhilKing has it exactly right. Not hard, if he reads the Bridge Bulletin like I do: this exact hand was in last months "It's Your Call" competition. The plurality of the super expert panel bid 3♠.
Lou Bluhm championed the bid to show a balanced hand, maximum for his first two (weak) calls, with nothing wasted in spades and all cards working. It is forcing to game in a minor, and leaves it to opener to decide if a minor suit slam is possible.


Of the 994 respondents, only SIX chose 3♠.

I wonder who the other five were :P
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Posted 2016-May-15, 08:27

 PhilKing, on 2016-May-15, 07:02, said:

I've been away too long.

Why no votes for a 3♠ "Bluhmer" bid? This can't logically be natural, so can (and should) be used to show the nuts for our previous bidding and zero points in spades. Partner is implying spade shortage - maybe he has:

♠-
♥Axx
♦AQxxxx
♣KQJx

Job done.

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Posted 2016-May-15, 10:21

My first inclination was to bid 3C. But partner might get it into his head that I was trying to show heart shortage, or at least weakness. I want to show positive diamond support and good values, hence my final choice of 4D. 3S seems too much like a master bid to me and very likely to be misinterpreted, no matter what the logic might be.
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Posted 2016-May-15, 10:23

 PhilKing, on 2016-May-15, 07:02, said:

I've been away too long.

Why no votes for a 3♠ "Bluhmer" bid? This can't logically be natural, so can (and should) be used to show the nuts for our previous bidding and zero points in spades. Partner is implying spade shortage - maybe he has:

♠-
♥Axx
♦AQxxxx
♣KQJx

Job done.


Well done. This hand was indeed in the Bridge Bulletin and 3♠ was the most popular choice of the expert panel.

The North hand


I realize the hand was contrived to showcase the Bluhmer bid, but as I tried to solve it I could never convince myself from the bidding and the south hand that there was even a sure game, let alone a slam and my choice was 3♥ showing a delayed 3 card raise in hearts and inviting to a heart game. For a slam to be possible I could not conceive of a North hand strong enough to make a slam that would not have opened 2♣


My regular partner and I would have bid the hand as follows per our partnership agreements:


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