[Gerben42]

Scoring: MP

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Auction so far:
1♦ (1♥) Dbl* (Pass)
2♦ (Pass)

Your doubled showed 4 Spades or a very strong hand, 1♠ would have shown 5 cards.

[Walddk]

I am an "other" man. 2♥ is my bid. Notrump could still be our spot. I expect partner to show club values now if he has them. We make 3NT opposite as little as

xxx
x
AKxxxx
Axx

My LHO has clubs, probably 6 of them, but he wasn't able to bid them because the poor soul has no heart fit! So he couldn't stand a heart rebid by partner. My partner's rebid was enough to keep my RHO away from introducing clubs.

I can always get back to diamonds later if NT is no option. No rush, EW are out of it now. 2♥ seems the most flexible bid at this point.

Roland

[Gerben42]

Is there a way to add more options to the poll or to delete and restart it?

Edited: Thanks for fixing my poll

This post has been edited by Gerben42: 2005-May-02, 06:16

[Walddk]

Gerben42, on May 2 2005, 05:11 AM, said:

Is there a way to add more options to the poll or to delete and restart it?
We might have 2♥ and 2NT in there somehow...

Only moderators can. So you must wait for Ben, Gerardo, Fred, Uday, jjsb or rain to come online.

Roland

[luke warm]

i voted for 5♦... 3nt could be our spot, but i doubt it

[Chamaco]

I voted 4D but I am reconsidering now...

I do believe that many features tend to suggest that the hand will take 2+ trick in diamonds than NT:
- void in clubs
- good support
- length in H (probably heart shortness in opener's hand) = likely x-ruff
- TOP controls in spades

The big risk is that heart shortness is NOT in p's hand but in LHO's hand and they start with AK and a ruff in H.

So, while I believe the hand is better suited for diamonds, starting low with 2H allows to verify where are pard's side values, and to evaluate better the prospects.

[whereagles]

Hum.. interesting problem. We can easily belong in 6, even opposite a min hand like

Qxx
x
AKxxxx
Qxx

I think I try 2H now, intending to follow up with 3 or 4D. There shouldn't be any problem with LHO bidding clubs because 2H doesn't necessarily show a fit, making a 3C bid by LHO rather risky.

However, if LHO is an aggressive (though not strong player) he might bid 3C anyway, so in that case I might try 4D instead of 2H.

[Free]

5♣, should be void ♣ and good support in ♦... Let p decide if it's gonna be small or grand slam, or even only a game.

[inquiry]

Sorry about having to add 2H and 2NT at end of the poll, but if I move everything down so that 2H and 2NT come in order, the votes already cast would be assigned to the wrong bids (people voting for first choice, for example would still vote for the first choice despite the changed answer).

Ben

[P_Marlowe]

4C, splinter.

Describing my hand.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[olegru]

Splinter is the best, but I would be scared to bid it now if situation is undiscussed. Partner could have different ideas about meaning of 4 ♣ bid here.
In IMPs 5♦ looks like a clear cut, but it is matchpoints.
I don't think bidding on the other tables will go to the same way. Negative dbl often promise something in ♣ and it will not everyone's choice. Hard to imagine that happened, but I am not ready to bid 5♦ - probabbly the final bid.
Do we have any special agreements about 3♦ and 4♦ bids?
If not I would try 3♦. Risky, but... Probably Partner will not pass now and give some usefull information.

[Walddk]

Bypassing 3NT at pairs is silly in my opinion. Partner could even be loaded in clubs:

Jxx
x
Axxxxx
AQJ

Bid 2♥ and trust partner if he bids 3♣.

Roland

[Fluffy]

Not sure about what people agreement's around here are, but when opponents ahve bid a suit, we only splinter on that suit, others become nat or fit showing.

I'll start with 2♥, my partners tend to bid 2NT with ♥Kx, and you can be sure where we belong then .

[Chamaco]

Fluffy, on May 2 2005, 01:16 PM, said:

Not sure about what people agreement's around here are, but when opponents ahve bid a suit, we only splinter on that suit, others become nat or fit showing.

Yes, that was my understanding too.

[Chamaco]

Jlall, on May 2 2005, 01:56 PM, said:

4C-splinter. I don't know why this would be natural as I could bid 3C or could have bid 2C over 1H.

Could be fitshowing with a 2suiter unsuited for NT.

[Gerben42]

Nice that you are so sure Fluffy but how do you know if you are not in 3NT down 2 with 5♦ cold? (The second round of hearts gets ruffed), or vice versa.

[P_Marlowe]

Walddk, on May 2 2005, 08:16 AM, said:

Bypassing 3NT at pairs is silly in my opinion. Partner could even be loaded in clubs:

Jxx
x
Axxxxx
AQJ

Bid 2♥ and trust partner if he bids 3♣.

Roland

Hi,

right, it is dangerous...

But even with your given hand,
it will be only 3NT=, which is the
same as 5C=.

In 5C you may have the chance
playing for an overtrick with ceratin
safety level.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Walddk]

P_Marlowe, on May 2 2005, 09:29 AM, said:

Walddk, on May 2 2005, 08:16 AM, said:

Bypassing 3NT at pairs is silly in my opinion. Partner could even be loaded in clubs:

Jxx
x
Axxxxx
AQJ

Bid 2♥ and trust partner if he bids 3♣.

Roland

Hi,

right, it is dangerous...

But even with your given hand,
it will be only 3NT=, which is the
same as 5C=.

In 5C you may have the chance
playing for an overtrick with ceratin
safety level.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Overtrick? With that hand you are in danger of going down in 5♦ with 3NT virtually cold. 5 of a minor at pairs is the last resort. They need to twist my arms or convince me that one suit is wide open before I bid 5mi.

Minors are suits you bid (they are only there because someone decided that we must have 4 suits), but not what you play at game level if you can avoid it.

Roland