[xx1943]

Scoring: IMP

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2♣ -- 2♠ -
3NT - 6♠ -
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Which suit wants partner from you to lead with double?

What is your lead without double?

[Fluffy]

explain the bidding, please

[Double !]

OK.............I'm a fish, but it still sounds like a request for a club lead to me. Partner can have club honors but insufficient club length to have dbl'd the 2C opener and be able to handle defending 2CX or XX. Or a potential club trick and an ace where the issue is needing to set up club trick before entry is used up. I know,..wrong again! The point is, partner went out of his way to tell me to stop and reconsider something different before making what might have been a natural, normal opening lead.

[luke warm]

i would lead the ♣7 with or without the x

[pclayton]

With the double - a ♣. Very possible they have 9 clubs between the hands.

Without the double? Anything but a club! I'd put my red 4's in my right hand and shuffle them around a few times and lead one.

[Double !]

Hmmm.
So far the votes seem to be unanimouse. That concerns me. I recall a relatively recent lead poll where the vast majority voted for one lead against a doubled slam, and it turned out that this particular lead gave declarer the contract. If the recommended or suggested lead were one that so many would agree on, then would it get posted as a lead problem? I am starting to become suspicious.

[whereagles]

I think double is just a plain penalty double, not Lightner. 6S seems to be bit of a shot in the dark and pard is trying to capitalize on that, seeing that his honors rate to be well placed after the strong hand.

With this in mind, I'm going to try and lead something passive. Hearts are the best passive lead (strongest suit), so I'll do that. In any case not clubs, which can easily blow a trick.

[Double !]

If you're not trying to jolt partner and communicate something special via the double (e.g. lightner), then why dbl. If you pass, you have a middle: heads you win, tails you tie.

[luke warm]

yeah, what justin said.. the x either:
1) meant something, or
2) didn't

if 1), try to figure out what it meant and do that... if 2), ditto

[shoeless]

I'm guessing lightner and I'm leading a club - dummy's first bid suit. Ready with with "Sp thought x was lightner if it fails"

[Rebound]

My lead is a club with the double. If it's wrong I'm not losing any sleep over it. Without the double, I put a spade on the table. I say, when in doubt, whip out Occam's razor and presume the most straightforward explanation.

[whereagles]

Jlall, on Apr 28 2005, 10:14 PM, said:

if X is "just penalty" it must be based on 2 100 % trump tricks in which case my lead cannot matter.

Looking at the bidding and my holding, I find it rather hard that pard has 2 trump tricks...

[inquiry]

I agree double is lightner. What suit was I most likely not going to lead? Why a club... because partner had a chance to double 2♣ as lead directing and didn't. Without the double, I would have tried a red suit. With the double, the one suit I wasn't going to lead (clubs), now becomes the one I will. I suspect LHO has long suit of clubs for his 3NT and partner is ruffing.

[pclayton]

Ben, I'm sure you don't play a double of a 2♣ opener as lead directing, as most of the posters around here don't. And, even if it was, why would you do it with a void?

[luis]

A club... I wonder why this is a problem.
Without the double I'd probably lead a red suit...

[inquiry]

pclayton, on Apr 29 2005, 02:43 PM, said:

Ben, I'm sure you don't play a double of a 2♣ opener as lead directing, as most of the posters around here don't. And, even if it was, why would you do it with a void?

I woudl not do it with a void. Yes, I play 2♣-DBL as clubs, although odds are not good my partner will be on lead. IT allows me to compete when I have stuff in clubs because ot bid 3♣ is well, to risky.

No I don't double 2♣ with a void. Ever hear of a card with two white "x"'s on it. I think you misunderstood me. PArtner didn't double 2♣ that is point one, He did make a lightner double of 6♠ that is point 2. There is not a lot of differentce between my lenght in the red suits and clubs. If partenr is void, he could be void in any of those. But since like luis I was going to lead a red suit before the double (for a lot of reasons), not I amgoing to lead a club for two... LHO didn't bid 3NT on running hearts, so he probably has a lot of clubs if he is long in a suit. If he is balanced, then surely partner is not void, and has two winners. If WEST is long is a suit, it rates to be clubs, because if he was long in diamnods partner MIGHT have been able to double 2♣ to show clubs. Also partner knows I am less likely to lead a club on this auction than any other suit. If he was void in diamonds, he might pass and hope that is the red suit I pick (ok, he can double to hope I workout where he is short)... but in this later case, there was a chance partner would have (again) clubs sufficient to double (we know partner is short in spades, we think he is short in one of the minors,,, ).

Wrong headed? Maybe, but i stick with the plan. I am actually with Lus and numerous other posters, a club here is clear cut.

[Double !]

getting more concerned.
vote so far seems to be about 7 to 1 for a club lead
why is this hand being surveyed?

I have my suspicion that the doubler had 2 red aces and doubled because he was going teach that 6 spade bidder a lesson and get double penalty bonus points (more imps/ "greedy"), but partner, instead, interpreted it as lightner, led a club, and presented declarer with 12 tricks before the defense could get two. And then the doubler yelled at opening leader, made typical comments, and abruptly left the table, never acknowledging that he/she had triggered the disaster by doubling because P was leading a red card without the double. If this scenario was indeed the case, then I would love to see the chat log that followed (to check for spelling errors, vocabulary, grammar, 4-letter words, etc.)