Something definitely awry here.
GIB bids wrong suit in response to reopening double
#2
Posted 2018-March-17, 16:11
I had a hand where i made a takeout double. Gib had a 4 card major with enough values to jump.
It cuebid. So i had to guess what to bid next. Gib was a passed hand so it wasn't huge. Simple jumping in its 4 card major would have shown it's whole hand.
There are numerous hands where you have to beg to find out that Gib has a 4-card major.
#3
Posted 2018-March-17, 20:11
#4
Posted 2018-March-18, 07:25
johnu, on 2018-March-17, 20:11, said:
i have found with GIBBO open almost all - perhaps all - 12 hcp hands so i question the initial pass with 12 hcp.
open 11 if a stiff. open 10 if two 5 card suits.
above has worked well.
in GIB's addled mind 3H would be VERY weak. Can't jump to 4H so it does a mark time at the 4-level.
i am almost with globby on this one.
vrock
#5
Posted 2018-March-18, 10:49
virgosrock, on 2018-March-18, 07:25, said:
open 11 if a stiff. open 10 if two 5 card suits.
above has worked well.
in GIB's addled mind 3H would be VERY weak. Can't jump to 4H so it does a mark time at the 4-level.
i am almost with globby on this one.
vrock
I see. So, give South Jxxx AQxx x Kxxx in first seat. Now the bidding goes, P-3♦-P-P-Dbl-P and you think GIB should bid 4♣?
You don't like South's bidding. That's fine. I just gave you a hand that is closer to what you think is appropriate. Did North's 4♣ bid just get better or worse?
How about AJTx Qxxx x Kxxx? Does 4♣ seem about right to you?
I have an idea. Why don't YOU show me a hand where the auction should go P-3♦-P-P-Dbl with North holding the given hand and where 4♣ is the correct bid.
#6
Posted 2018-March-18, 11:01
wbartley, on 2018-March-18, 10:49, said:
You don't like South's bidding. That's fine. I just gave you a hand that is closer to what you think is appropriate. Did North's 4♣ bid just get better or worse?
How about AJTx Qxxx x Kxxx? Does 4♣ seem about right to you?
I have an idea. Why don't YOU show me a hand where the auction should go P-3♦-P-P-Dbl with North holding the given hand and where 4♣ is the correct bid.
sorry, i don't respond to a confrontational tone.
vrock
#7
Posted 2018-March-18, 12:50
virgosrock, on 2018-March-18, 11:01, said:
vrock
I'm merely pointing out that your critique of the opening pass is not relevant to the discussion. My question stands. Can you show me a hand that you think is consistent with South's bidding where 4♣ is the correct call by North because this is the GIB forum where we attempt to contribute to the improvement of GIB's bidding.
#9
Posted 2018-March-19, 01:12
virgosrock, on 2018-March-18, 07:25, said:
i am almost with globby on this one.
vrock
Marking time with a non-forcing bid doesn't really work.
London UK
#11
Posted 2018-March-19, 15:16
#12
Posted 2018-March-19, 18:10
3♥: 4+♥, 20- total points
3♠: 4+♠, 20- total points
4♣: 4+♣, 20- total points
Obviously, telling partner you have 20 or less total points isn't really that helpful. Why on earth it chooses 4♣ over 3♥, who knows.
Incidentally, give GIB the same shape and no points (probably not possible on the auction, but anyway), it will bid 3♥. It will continue to bid 3♥ with 4 hearts and 5 clubs and no points.
Yet it's not like 4♣ is showing points, since give it 5 clubs and 3 hearts and 0 points, and it will still bid 4♣ as expected.
And just to cover all cases, swap the 6 of clubs for the 6 of spades in the original hand, and it will bid 3♥. So not like it thinks 3♥ is weak either.
Overall, just nonsense.
#13
Posted 2018-March-21, 04:56
smerriman, on 2018-March-19, 18:10, said:
3♥: 4+♥, 20- total points
3♠: 4+♠, 20- total points
4♣: 4+♣, 20- total points
Obviously, telling partner you have 20 or less total points isn't really that helpful. Why on earth it chooses 4♣ over 3♥, who knows.
Incidentally, give GIB the same shape and no points (probably not possible on the auction, but anyway), it will bid 3♥. It will continue to bid 3♥ with 4 hearts and 5 clubs and no points.
Yet it's not like 4♣ is showing points, since give it 5 clubs and 3 hearts and 0 points, and it will still bid 4♣ as expected.
And just to cover all cases, swap the 6 of clubs for the 6 of spades in the original hand, and it will bid 3♥. So not like it thinks 3♥ is weak either.
Overall, just nonsense.
where would a pass by gibby stand in the scheme of things?
vrock
#16
Posted 2018-March-23, 10:31