Surprising and strange statistic
#1
Posted 2019-October-19, 01:48
#2
Posted 2019-October-19, 02:08
London UK
#3
Posted 2019-October-19, 09:17
AL78, on 2019-October-19, 01:48, said:
Everyone picks up a lot of flat single digit point counts, of course. Maybe you are wondering if it is mainly partner's fault. Do you play with multiple partners and if so is the ratio similar with each?
#4
Posted 2019-October-19, 11:42
But if, as I suspect from your question, you are not finishing high then you need to look at your competitive bidding strategies. Are you competing in line with the Law of Total Tricks?
#5
Posted 2019-October-19, 12:53
#6
Posted 2019-October-19, 13:14
Yes I do use the law of total tricks for guidance and do bid to the level of the fit with a decent trump fit in a competitive auction. I'm loathe to bid again if I think I have bid my hand fully. I have asked my strongest partner what he thinks I am doing wrong but he takes the line of "It goes like that sometimes", yes it does but not for two years straight. I cannot believe this is just statistical randomness.
#8
Posted 2019-October-19, 16:02
I say this with sincere kindness, in essence you are perhaps overanalysing statistically what is happening at the table and, perhaps now, it is having an effect on your play and bidding. Effectively, you are stuck in a rut.
How you get out of this rut I cannot say, but maybe just try to enjoy the game for what it is and not get too dependent on how you are fairing results-wise. Most people look at bridge as a social game, an interaction with other like-minded people. Winning isn't everything: it's the taking part that counts.
#9
Posted 2019-October-19, 16:31
Assuming your numbers are relatively correct (it doesn't really seem that they could be) then you should look at the hand records to see what they other players are doing. Take a look at the results for some of the best players in your club. There are numerous reasons that could be in play. Not competing high enough, not overcalling often enough, not opening some minimum hands. Another possibility is that your opponents overbid against you because you don't double enough, or defend well enough to make them pay when they have overbid. This is all speculation without seeing some representative hands.
#10
Posted 2019-October-20, 02:32
#11
Posted 2019-October-20, 02:52
I agree with johnu that you should make a habit of a post mortem where you see what contracts others played and with what results, enquiring about the bidding if necessary. If you can do it together with partner all the better.
#12
Posted 2019-October-20, 03:07
#13
Posted 2019-October-20, 14:58
Zelandakh, on 2019-October-20, 03:07, said:
Yes I'll do that, when I get some time. It is going to take me a while to go through past hands where I can remember the bidding and then try and post them.
#14
Posted 2019-October-20, 15:02
FelicityR, on 2019-October-19, 16:02, said:
I say this with sincere kindness, in essence you are perhaps overanalysing statistically what is happening at the table and, perhaps now, it is having an effect on your play and bidding. Effectively, you are stuck in a rut.
How you get out of this rut I cannot say, but maybe just try to enjoy the game for what it is and not get too dependent on how you are fairing results-wise. Most people look at bridge as a social game, an interaction with other like-minded people. Winning isn't everything: it's the taking part that counts.
It is a self esteem issue. Doing badly in a competitive game/sport where I used to do well is demoralising. Regression is rarely, if ever good. Doing your best and going home with another sub 50% score and feeling lousy is not good either. I did consider stopping playing but then I lose one of my primary social events.
#15
Posted 2019-October-20, 16:22
AL78, on 2019-October-20, 15:02, said:
Of course. Did you have the same partner(s) when you were doing well? If not, can you list (to yourself) what is different in your current partnership(s)? Your current partner(s) must be equally unhappy, have you tried discussing the issue with them? Have you lost reciprocal trust and might that be a big part of the problem?
#16
Posted 2019-October-22, 14:22
Here is a partscore hand we lost:
I was North. I didn't think my hand was good enough for a 2♠ overcall over what could be unlimited opponents. Sadly I was wrong, all other Norths overcalled and found the spade partscore so we got a near bottom.
I've just noticed I haven't set the vulnerability correctly. EW were vulnerable.
#17
Posted 2019-October-22, 14:36
1) Are you in an area where weak NT is common? (This does have some marginal effect on various decisions, so it helps us to know.)
2) Over a 12-14 NT, I would say an immediate 2♠ overcall is reasonable but not required. If you instead had a singleton diamond spot and a 4th card in some other suit, I would say 2♠ (or whatever convention you have for interfering with 2-suited hands over 1N) is clear. (And, indeed, if you had a singleton diamond and a 4th club instead of what you had, you are odds-on for 4♠.)
3) South should not pass that hand out. With a singleton heart and 4 in every other suit, it's a clear balancing double. Non-vulnerable as South, I would strongly consider bidding 2♥ (takeout) over the 2♦ transfer bid.
4) Is it the case that your opponents managed to find the slam because you didn't get in their auction and mess it up?
5) In general, I am definitely getting the sense that you are not bidding enough. You have to get into the mindset that -100 is a better score than -110.
#18
Posted 2019-October-22, 15:39
Another general principle is that when the opps make weak bids, our calls are constructive and when the opps announce great strength our bids are disruptive. In keeping with this, unlike akwoo I would not want to act directly over 2♦ as for me that should show constructive values over a Weak NT. After the second round pass though, passing is very meek.
As far as your hand goes, weak players will often overcall 1NT with a nondescript 5332 whereas most experts do this very rarely. With a 6th spade or some extra shape, such as a 4th heart, I would be all for getting involved. You are being too hard on yourself here though in blaming yourself. Worse than that, if you find yourself bidding on hands where you should be passing it actually discourages your partner from competing aggressively on hands where it should be their responsibility. Instead, consider making an agreement with your partner that for the next 3 months you never pass out an opponents' 2 level contract with a singleton or void in their suit. If nothing else, it might help you and your partner to understand when you/they can afford to get involved and when to exercise caution once the experimental period has finished.
OK, now let's see Hand #2.
#19
Posted 2019-October-22, 16:40
AL78, on 2019-October-22, 14:22, said:
I was North. I didn't think my hand was good enough for a 2♠ overcall over what could be unlimited opponents. Sadly I was wrong, all other Norths overcalled and found the spade partscore so we got a near bottom.
I've just noticed I haven't set the vulnerability correctly. EW were vulnerable.
FWIW, I would pass with your hand, however, South has a mandatory balance
#20
Posted 2019-October-22, 19:24