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Constructive major raises in competition When the overcall at the 2 level

#1 User is offline   Chamaco 

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Posted 2005-May-21, 04:46

Hi all,
I'd like feedback on this one :-)

Assume you play 2/1 with conventional 4 card raises of a major.

The scheme for the conventional 4 card raise can be either Bergen + J2NT, or Jacoby+ and Fitshowing raises.

3 card raises are shown as follows:

a) very weak hand (say 0-7 hcp, or, better, more than 9 losers)
bid 1NT forcing then signoff

:P constructive raise (7/8-9/10 hcp, about 9 losers)
Immediate single raise

c) limit raise
1NT forcing then raise to 3


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The above applies for the uncontested auction.
In a contested auction, "standard 2/1" assumes that the single raise is not constructive anymore but can be as low as 6 hcp (even a good 5 occasionally).

IF INTERFERENCE OCCUR AT THE ONE_LEVEL (up to 1 spades-inclusive), we play that responder uses transfers (1NT shows clubs, 2 clubs diamonds etc), and that the transfer into opener's major shows a constructive raise (8-9 hcp- 9 losers).
The direct raise is the weak raise.
So far, this has worked quite reasonably (also due to the fact that opener is limited to 15 hcp= we play Precision).

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THE QUESTION

The problem arises when opps interefere with 2clubs or higher.
Do you have a scheme or thoughts on whether it is possible (or recommendable) to differentiate constructive and weak raise ?

E.g.:
a. don't bother differentiate, just raise whenever you have support

b. don't bother raising with the weak hand, you save the raise for your constructie bidding

c. don't bother raising with the conbstructive hand, save the raise for destructive bidding; find another bid if you are constructive;

d. differentiate the 2 bids as follows:....*HOW*...?

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Posted 2005-May-21, 08:47

Unless you switch to a "everything is a transfer - including the negative double", which I don' t think is sound, then you can't show both ranges of 3 card raises.

Its easy with 4 card raises, since you have more 'headroom' as you are bouncing up to the 3 level.
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Posted 2005-May-22, 00:04

:D
The way 2/1 bidding stands today, when the opponents interfere, everything reverts to old style bridge. In your frame of reference, this means you don't distinguish. Is this the best we can do, I dunno?

But, consider that old style bidding is pretty good albeit with some shortcomings with respect to scientific slam bidding - it tends to gobble up bidding space often without answering crucial questions. Once opponents butt in, priorities change and the opponents are the ones threatening to gobble up the bidding space. Maybe old school is the best school in these circumstances. Use what works.
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Posted 2005-May-22, 01:53

Garozzo's Ambra system, that can be found on Daniel's System Page addresses interference well and is worth a look if you want some ideas.

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Posted 2005-May-22, 05:09

I solved this problem by using double to glue two bids together, as follows:

1 2 ..?
X = balanced hand (rebids 2 with 8-9 and 2NT with 10-12) OR 5+ diams (rebid something else)
2 = decent 3 card raise, 7+
2 = junk raise 0-6
2NT = 4 card raise inv+
3 = 4 card mixed raise 6-9

1 2 ..? As above, with X = diams or bal and 2 5+ hearts, 8+ hcp.

1 1 ..? All transfers ON, with X = balanced unlimited and 1NT = clubs.

1 2 ..? Similar stuff, but now X = hearts or balanced. 2 is the decent spade raise.

This is similar to Ben/Misho equality thingie, but has some substantial changes.

If you're interested in this idea, I can send you my studies on how to continue the bidding from here on.
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Posted 2005-May-22, 19:28

You would either had to give up 1 suit or take out double, I don't think it would be worth it.
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Posted 2005-May-23, 05:24

There are a lot of benefeits in being able to distinguish between a good and bad raise at the 2 level. Especially after a 1M opening, opposite which a fit is quite likely.

You complicate misfit auctions, that's true. But you facilitate fitted auctions.
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