[Cyberyeti]

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With your singleton heart, you feel you need to act, now you're regretting it, what now ? btw your 2 suited bids are way better than this.

Here partner fell off the planet but I'm interested in what you think this auction means:

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System notes:

1♠ 4+ cards, weak NT context, only 4 if exactly 4333 15-19
2♥ 10+ 5+♥

if either player doubles 3♣ it shows exactly 4 diamonds, if they bid 3♦ it shows 5

Strong jump shifts are being played so this is not a huge hand with single suited hearts

[DavidKok]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-March-29, 06:36, said:

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With your singleton heart, you feel you need to act, now you're regretting it, what now ? btw your 2 suited bids are way better than this.

I'm not regretting it so far. I've played gadgets before to show this type of hand, but as you say you don't play them. I will bid 3♠.

Cyberyeti, on 2025-March-29, 06:36, said:

Here partner fell off the planet but I'm interested in what you think this auction means:

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System notes:

1♠ 4+ cards, weak NT context, only 4 if exactly 4333 15-19
2♥ 10+ 5+♥

if either player doubles 3♣ it shows exactly 4 diamonds, if they bid 3♦ it shows 5

Strong jump shifts are being played so this is not a huge hand with single suited hearts

I don't like the meaning of double and 3♦ at all! But let's go through the list:

• Partner has a strong hand, committing us to game opposite a possibly minimum opening.
  
• Because of your strong jump shifts, this is therefore not single-suited hearts.
  
• With hearts and clubs partner should have bid 3NT or 4NT after failing to get a raise from us.
  
• With hearts and diamonds partner should have doubled or bid 3♦ now.

Two hand types remain: hearts + spades and 5♥332. With the latter I would not bypass 3NT, but your agreement that double shows 4 diamonds may create problems on that hand type lacking an alternative. I would improvise double or 3NT with that hand, from which it follows that with 4♣ partner is setting trumps and making a slam try. This crucially depends on two assumptions though: 1) partner did not have a way to raise us the last round (or chose to prioritise the hearts); and 2) there are no hearts-minor suit hands where partner isn't fixed by the system (e.g. if 4NT is some kind of ace-asking, or if double or 3♦ can be passed, partner may desperately improvise).

[Cyberyeti]

DavidKok, on 2025-March-29, 07:16, said:

I'm not regretting it so far. I've played gadgets before to show this type of hand, but as you say you don't play them. I will bid 3♠.

I don't like the meaning of double and 3♦ at all! But let's go through the list:

• Partner has a strong hand, committing us to game opposite a possibly minimum opening.
  
• Because of your strong jump shifts, this is therefore not single-suited hearts.
  
• With hearts and clubs partner should have bid 3NT or 4NT after failing to get a raise from us.
  
• With hearts and diamonds partner should have doubled or bid 3♦ now.

Two hand types remain: hearts + spades and 5♥332. With the latter I would not bypass 3NT, but your agreement that double shows 4 diamonds may create problems on that hand type lacking an alternative. I would improvise double or 3NT with that hand, from which it follows that with 4♣ partner is setting trumps and making a slam try. This crucially depends on two assumptions though: 1) partner did not have a way to raise us the last round (or chose to prioritise the hearts); and 2) there are no hearts-minor suit hands where partner isn't fixed by the system (e.g. if 4NT is some kind of ace-asking, or if double or 3♦ can be passed, partner may desperately improvise).

Hearts and 4 spades and GF would have started with 3♥ also most of the time.

It could be opening hand hearts only, the SJS if single suited is GF/SI so better than just a one suited GF, but if only interested in hearts, could just bid 4♥.

If partner had 3 spades, he would likely bid them now as you are guaranteed to hold 5 spades or 3 hearts.

so 2533 would be possible without a club stop, but might improvise a double.

[DavidKok]

In that case the bid doesn't exist. All hands have a better alternative, so 4♣ is idle on this sequence.

You didn't state this outright, but am I correct in thinking that:

• A 3♠ rebid would be a game forcing raise, showing 3(+)♠ and 5(+)♥.
  
• A limit raise of spades would not begin with 2♥ even with long hearts.
  
• Opener's raise of the hearts was mandatory with at least 3-card support.

[Cyberyeti]

DavidKok, on 2025-March-29, 08:03, said:

In that case the bid doesn't exist. All hands have a better alternative, so 4♣ is idle on this sequence.

You didn't state this outright, but am I correct in thinking that:

• A 3♠ rebid would be a game forcing raise, showing 3(+)♠ and 5(+)♥.
  
• A limit raise of spades would not begin with 2♥ even with long hearts.
  
• Opener's raise of the hearts was mandatory with at least 3-card support.

So what do you do with Kx, Axxxxx, AQ, xxx ? I felt this was choice of 4♥/4♠, barring a club void opposite the preempter we have an 8 card major fit.

[DavidKok]

Isn't this your 'single-suited strong jump shift' the first round? And if it isn't, I am guessing from the question that 3♥ in the original problem would be NF? If there is a system gap with game forcing single-suited hearts hands I was not aware of this based on the previous descriptions.

[Cyberyeti]

DavidKok, on 2025-March-29, 09:07, said:

Isn't this your 'single-suited strong jump shift' the first round? And if it isn't, I am guessing from the question that 3♥ in the original problem would be NF? If there is a system gap with game forcing single-suited hearts hands I was not aware of this based on the previous descriptions.

No, like I said the SJS if single suited is at least mildly SI, so that hand +K♥ as an absolute minimum, the fit type can be minimum opener. Both are also a better suit

[DavidKok]

And 3♥ in passout over 3♣ would be? I think it is awfully inconvenient that the 2/1's are not forcing to game, but also the strong jumps start at such strong hands that we may be stuck with game forcing hands. Having to guess in the bidding when we already know we should be in game is costly.

[Cyberyeti]

DavidKok, on 2025-March-29, 09:15, said:

And 3♥ in passout over 3♣ would be? I think it is awfully inconvenient that the 2/1's are not forcing to game, but also the strong jumps start at such strong hands that we may be stuck with game forcing hands. Having to guess in the bidding when we already know we should be in game is costly.

The auction is really easy without the intervention, 1♠-2♥-2♠(default not always 6 less than GF)-3♥(GF, any bid other than 2N is)

I am reasonably confident partner would have worked this out if he hadn't already misbid.

[Cyberyeti]

The other board btw, partner has x, Kxxx, AQJxxx, Qx I bid 3♠ and played there for -300, 3N is -300 as well, best spot available is 4♦ which is -1 on best defence and can make on the wrong lead, but we're not stopping there.