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Partner Super Accepts have I gone soft?

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Posted 2025-September-30, 08:38

15-17NT



pass MP
bid IMP ?
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Posted 2025-September-30, 08:55

Yes, 4♠.
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Posted 2025-September-30, 08:56

I bid at IMPs regardless.

At MPs, I want to know about your system and partner. Do you have other superaccepts, and what would they mean? Does partner understand hand evaluation in this situation, or are they superaccepting on any hand with 4 spades and 16/17 hcp? Are you expecting to be with the field up to this point?
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Posted 2025-September-30, 09:04

I think I would bid 4♠ at both IMPs and MPs.
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Posted 2025-September-30, 09:07

3♠ typically shows max. and 4+♠ with expected mod. losers of 6.
Partner has 9 mod. losers before any adjustments so an easy 4♠ any scoring.
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Posted 2025-September-30, 09:31

View Postakwoo, on 2025-September-30, 08:56, said:

I bid at IMPs regardless.

At MPs, I want to know about your system and partner. Do you have other superaccepts, and what would they mean? Does partner understand hand evaluation in this situation, or are they superaccepting on any hand with 4 spades and 16/17 hcp? Are you expecting to be with the field up to this point?

You know me, I'm lucky to have any agreements. :)
Super accept with 4 cards and 17 hcp, perhaps a good 16 but so many players base hand evaluation on "rules of.." I'm not so sure but let's assume you are playing with a partner who has some skills in hand evaluation. It sounds like you would bid 4 at in either game.
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
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Posted 2025-September-30, 10:00

I play that 3♠ is a minimum with 4(+)-card accept. Conversely, 2NT is a maximum with 4(+)-card accept. With 4333 we may choose to conceal the 4-card support.

There are other schemes, but I'm not a fan of leaking more information on what is likely a game (and not slam) auction.
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Posted 2025-September-30, 10:57

4♠ at imps, 4♠ at matchpoints. 5/4 fit is great.
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Posted 2025-September-30, 13:40

quote "anon"
"1NT – 2H
3S - 4S because he has 17 HCP and you have 2 doubletons."


Are we reevaluating the 2 doubletons or the ♦AJ65?
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
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Posted 2025-September-30, 15:43

I accept despite, for me, it shows roughly 4333. 15-17.

I would at least consider 3NT.
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Posted 2025-September-30, 16:30

At MPs, I would pass if 3♠ denied a small doubleton (xx in any side suit), and I would pass if partner was a bad bidder. Otherwise I would bid.
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Posted 2025-September-30, 16:53

View Postjillybean, on 2025-September-30, 09:31, said:

You know me, I'm lucky to have any agreements. :)
Super accept with 4 cards and 17 hcp, perhaps a good 16 but so many players base hand evaluation on "rules of.." I'm not so sure but let's assume you are playing with a partner who has some skills in hand evaluation. It sounds like you would bid 4 at in either game.

HI Jilly YES standard reply BID 4 MPS or IMPs why imps disaster if you don't play 4s and it makes, same with MPS
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Posted 2025-September-30, 17:10

View Postjillybean, on 2025-September-30, 13:40, said:

quote "anon"
"1NT – 2H
3S - 4S because he has 17 HCP and you have 2 doubletons."


Are we reevaluating the 2 doubletons or the ♦AJ65?

the doubletons make it 9 Goren points. And they do _not_ duplicate the fifth spade.
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Posted 2025-October-01, 03:14

View Postakwoo, on 2025-September-30, 16:30, said:

At MPs, I would pass if 3♠ denied a small doubleton (xx in any side suit), and I would pass if partner was a bad bidder. Otherwise I would bid.
Doesn't the first imply the second? ;)
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Posted 2025-October-01, 05:54

View Postbluenikki, on 2025-September-30, 17:10, said:

the doubletons make it 9 Goren points. And they do _not_ duplicate the fifth spade.

Goren? Add 1 point for each doubleton and bid game, open 13 counts and 16-18nt
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
If you are my partner, please never tell me "I play the rule of (insert #)"
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