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#1 User is offline   harikannan 

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Posted Yesterday, 00:13

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I had no idea how to find out if a spade slam existed. It was a bot game, so i didn't trust its heart strength.

Assuming I had a human partner, is there a way we find it?

Thanks.
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Posted Yesterday, 02:38

The slam is on a finesse, it's not one you necessarily want to bid, while it's reasonable to assume the A is onside, K could easily be offside.
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Posted Yesterday, 03:31

I'd recommend starting with a strong jump shift on this hand (and on really any hand where you want to set a particular suit unilaterally and look for slam).

While I agree that this slam isn't great, it gets a lot better if opener has AK and it's not clear your auction would be any different.
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Posted Yesterday, 03:38

It is indeed tricky
Playing KI5
1 - (P) - 1 0-4 weak or 5+ GI - (2)
2 - (P) - 3 self-sustaining SI - (P)
3N no honours - (P) - 4 ctrl - (P)
4 ctrl - P
Now I'm a bit stuck
4 no ctrl which leaves partner to progress, which in theory they should given 4 over 3N with 5 odd KCs
4N even KCs now 5-6 a bit of a blast
6 partner should have the even more of a blast
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Posted Yesterday, 09:04

View Postawm, on 2025-October-21, 03:31, said:

I'd recommend starting with a strong jump shift on this hand (and on really any hand where you want to set a particular suit unilaterally and look for slam).

While I agree that this slam isn't great, it gets a lot better if opener has AK and it's not clear your auction would be any different.

Very few players use strong jumpshifts. There are so many other uses for the bids. Furthermore I have never heard of anyone who plays that a strong jumpshift promises a no loser suit opposite a void. I suspect it’s because one could play a lot of bridge for a lot of years and never hold such a hand.

As it is, in theory I think the south hand, if willing to gamble a slam opposite a diamond control, should bid 5S over 2H. The diamond cue s not only a wasted bid but it’s misleading and is virtually guaranteed to produce no useful information

Now, would any North player raise my 5S to slam? They should but I suspect few would.
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Posted Today, 02:28

If you find a way to see if this hand is a slam or not, you need to be reported for cheating, as it involves having the means to find out which opponent holds King and whether or not they can give each other a or ruff at trick 1 or 2.

Assuming this is actually not what you are really asking for. This is NOT a slam, Ignoring small ruffing chances for the opps in and trick 1 and 2, this is a 50% slam at best. 50% is NOT enough for matchpoints as you tend to lose more then you win because of the field making mistakes such as bidding 7, play on any level et cetera, which you will always beat by playing your game. You did well NOT to bid it, mission accomplished.
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Posted Today, 02:40

View Postmikeh, on 2025-October-21, 09:04, said:

Very few players use strong jumpshifts. There are so many other uses for the bids. Furthermore I have never heard of anyone who plays that a strong jumpshift promises a no loser suit opposite a void. I suspect it’s because one could play a lot of bridge for a lot of years and never hold such a hand.

As it is, in theory I think the south hand, if willing to gamble a slam opposite a diamond control, should bid 5S over 2H. The diamond cue s not only a wasted bid but it’s misleading and is virtually guaranteed to produce no useful information

Now, would any North player raise my 5S to slam? They should but I suspect few would.


Perhaps most critically, the robots play strong jump shifts. No one is saying that strong jump shifts promise no losers opposite a void, but it's pretty common to play that a strong jump shift followed by rebidding the suit sets trumps and asks for cuebids. I believe the robots play this as well!

If not playing strong jump shifts, it's possible that bidding 1 followed by 3 could have this meaning; for example it's fairly common to play that a direct 2 is "weak but constructive" (like 4-8 or whatever), which makes 1...2 invitational and 1...3 game forcing (and likely setting trumps, with weaker suits going through a 4sf or a cuebid if opponents overcall as they did here).

Anyway, the right way to do this depends on methods but it's pretty useful to have a way to show a game force with a very strong suit one way or another. Obviously this is usually a seven card suit and not a nine card suit, and it might be missing an honor (i.e. AQJTxxx would qualify).
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Posted Today, 03:47

View Postawm, on 2025-October-22, 02:40, said:

Perhaps most critically, the robots play strong jump shifts. No one is saying that strong jump shifts promise no losers opposite a void, but it's pretty common to play that a strong jump shift followed by rebidding the suit sets trumps and asks for cuebids. I believe the robots play this as well!


Not a robot method, but:

We play that:

1-2
2N-3

shows a spade suit happy to play in a slam opposite singleton J or less, any other bid by opener shows at least Q or xx in partner's suit, 2N says nothing other than the lack of spades.
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Posted Today, 04:59

Sometimes you make overtricks.

As it is, I think that 3D / 5S are overbids.
Just bid 4S.

I am ok with a 2S SJS, but than you stop as fast as possible.
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