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Rules on giving information
#1
Posted Yesterday, 08:09
Hi there fellow bridge players.
In contract bridge, if the opposition opens one diamond and we don't ask what the one diamond means, is the opener's partner allowed to offer information about what the one diamond call means without us asking? In our situation, opener's partner said "That means at least four diamonds". I said she is not allowed to offer information unless we ask. An argument quickly ensued. I would appreciate it if someone could set us straight.
In contract bridge, if the opposition opens one diamond and we don't ask what the one diamond means, is the opener's partner allowed to offer information about what the one diamond call means without us asking? In our situation, opener's partner said "That means at least four diamonds". I said she is not allowed to offer information unless we ask. An argument quickly ensued. I would appreciate it if someone could set us straight.
#2
Posted Yesterday, 09:35
The short answer, NO you should not be offering explanations of your partners call unless asked.
1D showing 4 does not require an alert or an announcement.
I'll leave the long answer to mycroft
1D showing 4 does not require an alert or an announcement.
I'll leave the long answer to mycroft
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
#3
Posted Yesterday, 15:09
jillybean, on 2026-March-30, 09:35, said:
1D showing 4 does not require an alert or an announcement.
I'll leave the long answer to mycroft
I'll leave the long answer to mycroft
The intermediate answer includes that in several jurisdictions, 1D showing 4+ does require an announcement
Perhaps not in ACBL.
In short, you should know and respect your regulations about alerts and announcements, in addition to the Laws of duplicate bridge which do not dictate such things.
#4
Posted Yesterday, 16:04
Alert regulations vary according to the regulating authority. In some jurisdictions, a player adding commentary like this would be UI and likely draw the ire of the TD: in others it is not only allowed but also required. You should also be careful in dressing down your opponents for some perceived breach of regulations. If this is indeed a RA where announcements are required, your actions might easily be interpreted as anti-social and result in a Zero Tolerance penalty. Rather than get in an argument over a regulation you yourself admit you do not actually know, why did you not call the TD and get an actual answer to your question? That is the point that I think you need to be set straight on more than anything else.
(-: Zel :-)
#5
Posted Yesterday, 18:24
In general:
As the others are saying, without knowing which RA you play under, we do not know if, *in this specific case*, an Announcement of 1♦ "minimum 4" is required. If it is not, no comment should be made unasked. If it is, then it was properly made.
In all cases, if you are concerned, call the Director and explain what happened. Do not lay blame, or get upset, or sound like you believe they're [-]ing; just state what happened, and maybe ask if there's an issue or if this was correct? And let the Director direct the conversation afterward. The Director Is Your Friend (but if the director *is* your friend, expect to be held to a high standard).
- When playing face-to-face, all Alerts and explanations are made by the partner of the bidder.
- Alert what is Alertable (defined by your RA); do not explain without being asked.
- Announce what is Announceable (same deal); do not Announce an Alertable call (Alert instead) or a non-Alertable call (say nothing). Use the prescribed wording for your Announcements.
- When asked, a complete explanation of the call must be given (an Announcement is never "complete"; but usually is sufficient information that no ask is made). Specifically, I think everywhere, "the name of the convention is not sufficient explanation" (unless it is the specified Announcement, but see previous sentence).
- When partner's explanation differs from your hand, remember the following:
- If partner's explanation is correct - you misbid - say nothing (but know that you must continue to bid as if partner had explained what you thought you were playing).
- if partner's explanation is not correct, say nothing at the time (and try your best to not flinch). At the end of the auction, *if your side is declaring*, correct the explanation.
- if your side is defending, you may not correct the explanation until the end of the hand, at which time you must. Please call the director in this case (if the opponents haven't already :-), as she is likely to be needed.
- If partner's explanation is correct - you misbid - say nothing (but know that you must continue to bid as if partner had explained what you thought you were playing).
- Conversely, if *you* realize that you have misinformed (or failed to Alert/Announce as required) the opponents, call the director and correct the explanation.
- When playing with self-Alerts, such as on BBO, explain your own bids if they are Alertable/Announceable/just plain weird.
- When playing with screens, both partners Alert their screenmate, the bidder when they make their Alertable call, partner when the call is pushed through the screen.
As the others are saying, without knowing which RA you play under, we do not know if, *in this specific case*, an Announcement of 1♦ "minimum 4" is required. If it is not, no comment should be made unasked. If it is, then it was properly made.
In all cases, if you are concerned, call the Director and explain what happened. Do not lay blame, or get upset, or sound like you believe they're [-]ing; just state what happened, and maybe ask if there's an issue or if this was correct? And let the Director direct the conversation afterward. The Director Is Your Friend (but if the director *is* your friend, expect to be held to a high standard).
Long live the Republic-k. -- Major General J. Golding Frederick (tSCoSI)
#6
Posted Yesterday, 19:09
pescetom, on 2026-March-30, 15:09, said:
The intermediate answer includes that in several jurisdictions, 1D showing 4+ does require an announcement 
Perhaps not in ACBL.
In short, you should know and respect your regulations about alerts and announcements, in addition to the Laws of duplicate bridge which do not dictate such things.
Perhaps not in ACBL.
In short, you should know and respect your regulations about alerts and announcements, in addition to the Laws of duplicate bridge which do not dictate such things.
What the heck do I know
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
#7
Posted Yesterday, 22:02
Interesting. I did not know what announcements were. I did a little bit of research and the requirement for announcements seems to be RA dependent. I am in South Africa so it would probably be the SABF (I will check though). Under SABF rules 1 diamond (meaning 4+ diamonds) is natural and does not require an announcement.
#8
Posted Yesterday, 22:25
Zelandakh, on 2026-March-30, 16:04, said:
Alert regulations vary according to the regulating authority. In some jurisdictions, a player adding commentary like this would be UI and likely draw the ire of the TD: in others it is not only allowed but also required. You should also be careful in dressing down your opponents for some perceived breach of regulations. If this is indeed a RA where announcements are required, your actions might easily be interpreted as anti-social and result in a Zero Tolerance penalty. Rather than get in an argument over a regulation you yourself admit you do not actually know, why did you not call the TD and get an actual answer to your question? That is the point that I think you need to be set straight on more than anything else.
Point taken. Thank you!
#9
Posted Today, 03:09
Joannecoop, on 2026-March-30, 22:02, said:
Interesting. I did not know what announcements were. I did a little bit of research and the requirement for announcements seems to be RA dependent. I am in South Africa so it would probably be the SABF (I will check though). Under SABF rules 1 diamond (meaning 4+ diamonds) is natural and does not require an announcement.
It could be argued that your opponents made a technical mistake with the best of intentions.
It is clear in the SABF regulations that this opening bid does not fit into the categories of announcements required. However "any call which, by partnership agreement, contains information of which the opponents may not be aware must be alerted by the partner of the player making such a call and a full explanation given upon request by an opponent. This applies to natural as well as to artificial calls". If the partnership feel that the fact that 1♦ always promising four is information that you require, possibly because they were playing a short club, then they should have alerted the call: but it is understandable in an environment where announcements are used that they might announce rather than alert as they should.
In the UK, if someone did this then I would assume that they were trying to be helpful and would not be concerned.
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