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Rebid after forcing 1NT

#41 User is offline   hrothgar 

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Posted 2005-September-17, 13:32

whereagles, on Sep 17 2005, 09:59 AM, said:

Thanks all. Hands were
Scoring: MP

1♥ 1NT
2♣ ...?

Not easy to reach 5♦ on these hands.

Agreed

I'm not going to kick myself for missing a 24 HCP 5m contract playing Matchpoints...

As I recall, Kit Woolsey once suggest that if you find yourself in 5m playing MP, you might as well just bid six since the odds that you we're in the right contract was miniscule...
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Posted 2005-September-17, 15:54

hrothgar, that was exactly what happened at table! At some stage we were in 5♦ and I said "what the heck... I might as well bid 6!!"

So I did that and guess what: pard takes the heart lead in hand and leads a diam. LHO puts up the ace.. and the queen crashes :rolleyes:
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Posted 2005-September-21, 05:16

Jlall, on Sep 17 2005, 07:24 AM, said:

I guess 3D was the winning bid on the actual layout. Partner will obviously get us to 5D.

Over 2H he would just pass (no I do not think he's close to considering 3C).

Over 2N, he might bid 3N or he might bid 3D (assuming 3C is NF it's doubtful he'd do that). 3D would work well obviously, but it should probably show 3. In real life I think people would just bid 3N. Still, I would hate to just bid 3N over 2N. Any thoughts?

♠ singleton is really awful, clearly there is a good point for underbidding 3♣ on this hand
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Posted 2005-September-22, 14:43

This hand is nice for a treatment I learned from a pro friend. After a forcing NT, 2NT is a GF relay to 3C, with next bids natural and GF. 1H-P-1NT-P-3NEW is then showing 5-5 shape, five losers. Perfect for this. Granted, you end up in a quandry after 3C, for a second. But, 3D should be forcing and quite effective. Even if not, you play 4H, which probably scores 420.
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Posted 2005-September-22, 14:50

whereagles, on Sep 17 2005, 02:59 AM, said:

Thanks all. Hands were
Scoring: MP

1♥ 1NT
2♣ ...?

Not easy to reach 5♦ on these hands.

As I suggested in my post, maybe you need to reconsider your methods, and as hannie pointed out with this hand, it is nice to have 1♥=3♦ as invitiational, nonforcing (which is what we play). I can imagine 1♥=3♦ auction leasing to 5♦ without too much difficulty.
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Posted 2005-September-22, 14:56

I also play 1M-3m as natural invite. I'm not sure if I would use it here on such a poor suit with so much outside. This would certainly not be the typical hand. I would probably bid 1N anyways. Then over 2C if 3D were used as an invite with a poor suit I would use that (obviously). However, I usually play that as fit showing in this context so I would bid 2N...lol. Well at least I'm consistent. This hand basically boils down to one thing; are you going to treat this as an invitational with diamonds hand or not?
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Posted 2005-September-22, 21:19

whereagles, on Sep 17 2005, 01:59 AM, said:

Thanks all. Hands were
Scoring: MP

1♥ 1NT
2♣ ...?

Not easy to reach 5♦ on these hands.

If [1x-1NT][2y-3Z] indicates that the responder has a good suit just under 2o1 GF,this 5D would be not too difficult to arrive.
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Posted 2005-September-23, 03:06

Hum.. Ben, even if I were to play 1M-3m as natural, invitation (whose virtues I am not convinced of :)), I really don't think such a bid should be done on a hand with weakish diamonds and partial heart support.
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