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#1 User is offline   Gerben42 

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Posted 2005-September-19, 03:34

How does your partnership play later doubles?

(1NT*) Dbl (p**) p
(Rdbl***) p (2****) Dbl

* 12 - 14
** Forces redouble
*** Forced
**** and a higher suit

How do you play this double and why? What are your other agreements?
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Posted 2005-September-19, 03:39

I play passing over the pass (even forcing) shows values and is forcing through 2S. I also play when we're in a forcing pass X=pen as with a t/o X type you can pass. So this would be penalty. Had pass of the pass NOT shown values, X here would just show some values and be t/o.
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Posted 2005-September-19, 04:05

I like to play forcing pass over 2m and takeout doubles of 2M...but I guess Justin's version makes more sense in this situation, you are likely to have to make a bid at somepoint anyway due to the forcing pass so you may as well make the bid immediately, even if you've got nothing much to bid.
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Posted 2005-September-19, 07:19

Since 1NT doubled was passed around, I play pass here as part of 2/3 double. IF I held two or three clubs, I would double (still optional of course), so a pass of 2 shows possession of 1 or 4 . We are still in the hunt for penalty if I have four, and partner can work this out.

This is certainly not traditional.
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Posted 2005-September-19, 07:49

This seems like a good auction for 2/3 Xs. I'm not sure if I like them or not as I have never played them, but anything Garozzo plays can't be half bad :unsure:
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Posted 2005-September-19, 08:31

You asked me how I play it, so here it goes :unsure: In an auction of type

(1NT) dbl (pass) pass

where dbl is for penalties, the pass from 4th hand shows values and willingness to double the opponents. Later doubles are for penalties in the direct seat, and optional in the balancing seat.

So for me the double of 2 is penalties.
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Posted 2005-September-19, 09:11

Gerben42, on Sep 19 2005, 04:34 AM, said:

How does your partnership play later doubles?

(1NT*) Dbl (p**) p
(Rdbl***) p (2****) Dbl

* 12 - 14
** Forces redouble
*** Forced
**** and a higher suit

How do you play this double and why? What are your other agreements?

At this strength (weakness?) i play the DBL to show the higher range ie 13-14 hcp undefined shape. On this sequence, my pass shows defensive cards and balance of power ( a good 7 to a poor 11). Their sequence (since we knew from their alert(s) that they would eventually be bidding something) showing C and another would be countered by:
pass - no 4 clubs, single suited hand
double - 4 clubs
2D - D and a higher suit with C shortness. (We likely have game in a major if we have an 8 card fit.)
2H - H and S (pass, correct or invite/bid game)
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Posted 2005-September-19, 11:41

I prefer to play advancer's initial pass as nebulous, neither showing nor denying values. Certainly with a weak hand and a five card suit I would tend to bid in that position, but with a weak balanced hand I would pass and see what happens. Sometimes the opening side runs when they shouldn't (i.e. opener has a max, responder is borderline to leave 1NTXX in and runs anyway). Sometimes doubler has a big hand and opponents will run from 1NTX. It seems like running immediately after the pass with a weak hand and no obvious suit to bid is a bad idea.

Since advancer hasn't shown any values, I wouldn't necessarily treat this as a forcing auction. So double should be takeout of clubs, pass is non-forcing but doubler will normally balance unless holding a rather large number of clubs.
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Posted 2005-September-21, 05:04

I play initial pass as F1R, then 2 pass would be forcing, and double penalty
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