[Gerben42]

Responder has:

Scoring: MP

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1♦ - 1♥
1♠ - 2♣ (4th suit FG)
2♦ - 3♣
4♣

1. Agree with responder's biddding so far?
2. What does declarer's hand look like?
3. What is your plan?

[Chamaco]

Gerben42, on Sep 19 2005, 08:49 AM, said:

1. Agree with responder's biddding so far?

I do not like the 3C bid after 4sf.
It seems to me this shows indeed clubs.
This of course depends on the agreements in 1-over-1 auctions.

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2. What does declarer's hand look like?

4=1=5=3 or 4=0=5=4

I expect something like AJxx-void-KTxxx-KJxx

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3. What is your plan?

I am probably settling for a Moysian fit in spades, bid 4S

[P_Marlowe]

1) No, over 2D bid 3 NT, or if you prefer 2 NT, although I think 2 NT
would be an overbid

2) No idea, but guessing
4 spades
1 heart
5 diamonds
3 clubs, but no half stopper, i.e. 10xx at best

He may also hold 6 diamonds with additional values,
this depends on the meaning of 2D, does it denie
additional values ?, and on the meaning of 3D over 3C,
does it promise 6 diamonds?

3) abstain

Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

for me 3C does not show clubs, it asks for a half stopper,
with a strong two suiter responder jumps direct to 3C.

Of course this is a matter of partnership aggreement.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

Jlall, on Sep 19 2005, 04:11 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Sep 19 2005, 04:10 AM, said:

with a strong two suiter responder jumps direct to 3C.

and with an invitational 2 suiter?

Hi,

good question, but I think I would try to stay as
low as possible, because in this case we are in
a misfit auction with no HCP to back us up.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[helene_t]

P_Marlowe, on Sep 19 2005, 11:10 AM, said:

for me 3C does not show clubs, it asks for a half stopper,
with a strong two suiter responder jumps direct to 3C.

That's what I've learned as well (Dutch beginner's book: it may be relevant in this context that they do not play Walsh).

What 4♣ means is an enigma. Usually the 4th suit by opener is natural, but with such a hand he would normally have bid notrumps either before or now. He must have extras and a hand not suited for a jump, whether before or now. Maybe AJxx-A-AKxxx-xxx.

I think I will gamble 6NT. Especially playing f2f I like to end the bidding as soon as it becomes muddy, to avoid being influenced by UI.

[Chamaco]

P_Marlowe, on Sep 19 2005, 09:10 AM, said:

Hi,

for me 3C does not show clubs, it asks for a half stopper,
with a strong two suiter responder jumps direct to 3C.

Of course this is a matter of partnership aggreement.

With kind regards
Marlowe

I also play that a jump in 4th suit is GF 2suiter, natural.

However, in this specific sequence, I think 3C should be signoff: otherwise, how can responder signoff in clubs when he has 4 hearts and 6 clubs ?

So, if 3C is signoff, it seems to me that 2C (4sf) followed by 3C shows clubs.

[inquiry]

Gerben42, on Sep 19 2005, 04:49 AM, said:

1. Agree with responder's biddding so far?

Absolutely not. I guess with 3♣... you hoped to hear partner to bid 3NT with a partial stopper like ♣Qx. The logic being if you held ♥ and ♣ you would have jumped to 3♣ instead of 4th suit. Over 2♦ a simple forcing 2♥ will discover the same information. After a forcing 2♥, partne can, 1) bid 2NT with such a holding, 2) rebid 3♦ with six, 3) rebid 3♣ with club length (3 cards) but on stopper, 4) raise ♥ with doubleton ♥ and singleton or doubleton ♣.

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2. What does declarer's hand look like?

♠Axxx ♥void ♦AQJxxx ♣xxx

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3. What is your plan?

Switch from fourth suit forcing to xyz in the future? Bid 4♠ and hope ♥Ace is on sides.. .and dummy reversal with 1♥ ruff, 2♥ winner, 2♣ ruffs, 1♣ 3♠ and 1♦ is enough. If they lead a ♠, I hope ♦ King is on side, and I can scramble to 6♦ tricks, 3♠ and a club... if they ruff one on my ♦ winners, I win 4♠.

[Gerben42]

Thanks for your constructive response Ben.

I disagreed with my own bid afterwards also A simple matter of not having considered all the alternatives at the time. FYI we did end up in 4♠ which made, but less tricks than NT.

[Al_U_Card]

Gerben42, on Sep 19 2005, 03:49 AM, said:

Responder has:

Dealer: South Vul: Both Scoring: MP

♠ KQ3 ♥ KQJ72 ♦ 84 ♣ A65

1♦ - 1♥
1♠ - 2♣ (4th suit FG)
2♦ - 3♣
4♣

1. Agree with responder's biddding so far?
2. What does declarer's hand look like?
3. What is your plan?

1) nope. He wants to bid the approriate NT to let pard know that C are stopped.

2) 4-0-6-3

3) If he bids over NT we will see which pointy slam has chances. I like 2NT to be slightly stronger (18-19), so with a minimum he will pass my 3NT.

[Fluffy]

3♣ is invitational 5-5 to me, what to bid instead is a good question though.