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#1 User is offline   mike777 

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Posted 2005-October-09, 15:50

I do not have a good feel for this, can anyone help out?

nv vs nv imps.

1H=p=1S=2C(partner)
2D=?

or?

1H=p=1S=2C(partner)
2D=p=2S=p
P=?

In both cases what is the minimum hand type you will bid 3Clubs on?
If you can give a couple of example hands for each case, thanks in advance.


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Posted 2005-October-09, 16:52

I am a simple, Lawful soul.

If I have 3 trumps not vul, I will always raise, even 4333 with the opps in a potential misfit.

I'm not sure what hand I might have in your second deal where I would pass after pd bids 2C, then come in. Maybe AK tight and out? Maybe I would have raised immediately anyway.

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Posted 2005-October-09, 20:44

I would also raise with very light hands in this situation. A balancing 3C would probably usually be based on a doubleton.
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Posted 2005-October-10, 01:19

If I have a excuse, I will give partner a raise
in your first scenario, with dead minimum and
4333 I will pass.
In your second scenario I will pass, most of the
time.

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Posted 2005-October-10, 16:53

P_Marlowe, on Oct 10 2005, 02:19 AM, said:

If I have a excuse, I will give partner a raise
in your first scenario, with dead minimum and
4333 I will pass.
In your second scenario I will pass, most of the
time.

With kind regard
Marlowe

and i'm the opposite... i'd always raise partner (if i can) on the 2nd auction.. i'd be tempted to pass on the 1st though, to see if it goes (2h) p (p)... then 3c... true, it could go 2d all pass, but them's the breaks... partner should have a good club suit but doesn't have to have much else on auction 1
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Posted 2005-October-10, 16:54

mike777, on Oct 9 2005, 04:50 PM, said:

btw I see Bird flu has hit Europe, been nice knowing all of you. USA must be right behind you.

Oh, expletive-deleted.

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Posted 2005-October-10, 17:00

Whenever I don't want to give opps a cuebid below 3NT, I'll raise, even on a 3 card...
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Posted 2005-October-11, 06:24

Agree with Free on this one.
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Posted 2005-October-11, 06:30

I used to like to raise extremely light in competitive auction, say 3 trumps and a doubleton somewhere would have been enough for me to bid 2 after 1-(2).

I am cured from this style :) I think law safety just doesn't work when there is no entry to dummy, so a raise should promise that partner doesn't have to play the hand alone. No, a doubleton is not an entry if you have 3 trumps only and opponents are intelligent enough to lead trumps at some point. A doubleton and Qxx of trumps, however, might be enough.

(Even if they can't double you at the level you are raising to, partner may often compete one more where they will get you.)

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