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What does this mean, and how do you respond?

Poll: Your bid? (23 member(s) have cast votes)

Your bid?

  1. 3NT (1 votes [4.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.35%

  2. 4C (2 votes [8.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.70%

  3. 4D (13 votes [56.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 56.52%

  4. 4H (1 votes [4.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.35%

  5. 4S (1 votes [4.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.35%

  6. 4NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. 5D (5 votes [21.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.74%

  8. 6D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. Something else (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Free 

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Posted 2008-April-05, 08:43

In a bidding contest, following question was posed:

You hold:
Scoring: IMP


The auction starts:
1♦ - Pass - 1♥ - 1♠
2♠ - 2NT - 3♠ - Pass
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You'll probably disagree with this start, but it is what it is.

"You're playing with a pickup partner. 2NT was not alerted. What do you think 3♠ means, and what do you bid?"

All of the above responses had been brought up, so I wonder what the forum's choice is ;)
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Posted 2008-April-05, 08:47

Indeed, I do not agree with 2S. In fact, I don't really understand it.

Whatever 3S means, I bid the obvious 4D and we'll see. If partner meant 3S as showing a spade stopper then that's just hopeless.
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Posted 2008-April-05, 12:57

what han said
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Posted 2008-April-05, 14:25

I have no idea what I have been doing. I have no idea what my bids mean after this start. 4♦ might be a cuebid in support of hearts, for all I know. If I had to guess, I'd guess that meaning.

So, I'm in a bind.

GP time. Partner has something interesting. I have no idea what he has that is interesting, but he likes it. 3♠ is not a preempt.

So, I make one call that might be understood no matter what he has -- 6♦.
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Posted 2008-April-06, 13:19

what han said. I really don't understand the 2S bid.

As for what 3S means, I really hope partner never tries that on me...
But as a guess, since 2S showed a very good hand, often (but not always) a diamond single-suiter, I think partner is trying to say that he has a suitable hand and first round spade control and (I would guess) something good in diamonds.
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Posted 2008-April-07, 07:43

2♠ should show ♥ fit, 3♠ shows ♠A but its the only stopper, 4♣ is probably the right bid if 2♠ has been understood.
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Posted 2008-April-07, 16:39

For me 2♠ agrees hearts. We would double with strong single-suited diamonds.

If you play support doubles then 2♠ is needed for strong diamonds without a spade stopper too good for 3♦ or not wanting to bid No Trumps.

The hand here certainly doesn't have heart support so it must be the long diamonds hand - although with only 15 hcp I can't see why the actual hand cannot bid a simple 3♦. In any case 3♠ perhaps should show half a spade stopper (assuming 2♠ showed diamonds not hearts).

Now I bid - well actually I am found out by my unlimited 2♠ bid earlier. My diamonds are not good enough for 5♦ and neither is my strength but partner will not imagine the stiff spade if I bid only 4♦. I think I am stuck with 4♦ though. Two overbids on one hand is too much for me.
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Posted 2008-April-08, 08:33

I bid 4♦ now but I'm really afraid I've shown a ♥ fit !

Where are we going !? :huh:
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Posted 2008-April-08, 09:49

Why does everyone think the cuebid shows a heart fit? What would you bid with a hand like xx Kx AKQJxxx Ax? I still think it was terrible on the actual hand, but we definitely haven't promised a heart fit yet.

In fact I think as an agreement it's better for the cuebid to deny a heart fit, though undiscussed I will always allow for partner having one since most people like to cuebid with one.
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Posted 2008-April-08, 11:07

jdonn, on Apr 8 2008, 09:49 AM, said:

Why does everyone think the cuebid shows a heart fit? What would you bid with a hand like xx Kx AKQJxxx Ax? I still think it was terrible on the actual hand, but we definitely haven't promised a heart fit yet.

In fact I think as an agreement it's better for the cuebid to deny a heart fit, though undiscussed I will always allow for partner having one since most people like to cuebid with one.

You have a very good point as is there really a strong reason to play 3 or 4♥ as a preemptive jump raise after opening the bidding and PD's response ?
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Posted 2008-April-08, 14:59

jdonn, on Apr 9 2008, 03:49 AM, said:

Why does everyone think the cuebid shows a heart fit? What would you bid with a hand like xx Kx AKQJxxx Ax? I still think it was terrible on the actual hand, but we definitely haven't promised a heart fit yet.

In fact I think as an agreement it's better for the cuebid to deny a heart fit, though undiscussed I will always allow for partner having one since most people like to cuebid with one.

I think it shows a heart fit because I can double with that hand.
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