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#1 User is offline   catch22 

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Posted 2008-June-22, 01:05

Scoring: IMP


(1C)-1H-(3C)-?

1C was natural - 3C pre-emptive

Your bid?
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Posted 2008-June-22, 01:07

3♠. This is sort of trashy, but the alternative (pass) makes me feel way worse. I think this is close to a minimum 3♠ bid.
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Posted 2008-June-22, 02:17

3S, don't want to get shut out.
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Posted 2008-June-22, 04:08

I hate this hand. 3S for me too, fortunately this is not forcing.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-June-22, 04:12

I would just pass, don't want to hang partner. They are more likely to have game than we are imo, not that 3♠ couldn't work out in that case too.
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Posted 2008-June-22, 05:56

jdonn, on Jun 22 2008, 05:12 AM, said:

I would just pass, don't want to hang partner. They are more likely to have game than we are imo, not that 3♠ couldn't work out in that case too.

This is sort of interesting, because I sort of think of aproblem like this as a "who is hanging whom" problem.

IMO, there is no real difference between "hanging partner" by making a really high bid on reliance that partner had full values for a prior call and thus punishing that prior aggressive bid, and the converse of making the prior call on really light values to leave partner punished for making the aggressive high-level call. In other words, whereas 3♠ could hang the 1♥ call, 1♥ could anticipatorily "hang" the 3♠ call.

This sequence is why I would aggressively (insanely) opt a 2♥ overcall with shortness in spades. If deciding between a light 1♥ overcall and a five-card jump 2♥ overcall (or assing), I lokk at my suitability for supporting aggressive action in the other major.

Thus, if 3♠ leads to a really bad result, I suspect that 1♥ should have been pass or 2♥.
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Posted 2008-June-22, 06:27

3♠.

To me this is not close, even though our hand is not that great.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-June-23, 04:04

3 ♠ despite the fact that this is forcing.
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Posted 2008-June-23, 04:19

If I played 3♠ as forcing, this hand would cause me to change my methods.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-June-23, 04:44

I really prefer (bid)-bid-(bid)-bid to be non-forcing unless artificial.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-June-23, 05:05

gnasher, on Jun 23 2008, 07:19 PM, said:

If I played 3♠ as forcing, this hand would cause me to change my methods.

Well actually I read the bidding wrong, in the given scenario 3 Spade is nonforcing.
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Posted 2008-June-23, 05:54

Pass.

Depending on your agreements, 3S may be interpreted
as a fit bid.

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Posted 2008-June-24, 05:48

Partner decided to double on this hand, my third choice. I'd have bid 3S, but I thought it was close given the dubious value of the K♣.

I held KTx-KT9xx-QTxxx-void
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Posted 2008-June-24, 06:07

LOL! You opted against 2NT for the reds in part because of the nice spade fragment, but partner declined to show them with six. Typical. LOL
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Posted 2008-June-28, 16:12

catch22, on Jun 22 2008, 02:05 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(1C)-1H-(3C)-?

1C was natural - 3C pre-emptive

Your bid?

IMO 3♠ = 10, _P = 8, _X = 6
If 3♠ is forcing then it's a lottery Bidding 3♠ will attract little sympathy if it's a misfit; but it's hard to suppress a good 6 card suit.
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