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1NT=15-17.
In the E/W methods, 2♣ would be conventional, 3♣ is their only way to show a single-suiter in clubs. Double of 3♣ by partner would have been take-out.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 10:21
1NT=15-17.
In the E/W methods, 2♣ would be conventional, 3♣ is their only way to show a single-suiter in clubs. Double of 3♣ by partner would have been take-out.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 10:27
Yup. Takes a lot of pressure off pard if he knows you will reopen with this.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 10:28
Sadly yes... i will open... with a double
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Posted 2008-July-05, 10:35
Seriously, if I don't reopen with this hand, is there any hand I wouldn't bid on?
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Posted 2008-July-05, 10:44
pclayton, on Jul 5 2008, 11:35 AM, said:
Seriously, if I don't reopen with this hand, is there any hand I wouldn't bid on?
This one?
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Posted 2008-July-05, 10:49
Double. Even if this wasn't worth 18 HCP earlier, it definitely is now that we know our high cards are in the right suits.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-July-05, 10:55
Double. If you aren't reopening with this then you might as well play this as a penalty double.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 11:03
Wow, I've got some hot cards! X for sure
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Posted 2008-July-05, 14:06
Hell yeah!
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 17:46
Agree with everyone, double WTP.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 19:05
I am glad it is matchpoints - and my reopening only can lose us one board.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 19:25
FrancesHinden, on Jul 5 2008, 11:21 AM, said:
Scoring: MP
1NT-3♣-P-P
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1NT=15-17.
In the E/W methods, 2♣ would be conventional, 3♣ is their only way to show a single-suiter in clubs. Double of 3♣ by partner would have been take-out
1NT-3♣-P-P
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1NT=15-17.
In the E/W methods, 2♣ would be conventional, 3♣ is their only way to show a single-suiter in clubs. Double of 3♣ by partner would have been take-out
IMO _X = 10, _P = 4.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 19:29
so if we played 1NT 3♣ double as negative or co-op would we sit
for me it would depend on what are understandings our on 1NT 3bid double penalty or negative or just points
for me it would depend on what are understandings our on 1NT 3bid double penalty or negative or just points
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Posted 2008-July-06, 04:17
Easy double.
If we don't double with this hand, we might as well scrap t/o doubles here - we won't get a hand better suited than this one.
If we don't double with this hand, we might as well scrap t/o doubles here - we won't get a hand better suited than this one.
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Posted 2008-July-06, 10:25
nige1, on Jul 5 2008, 08:25 PM, said:
FrancesHinden, on Jul 5 2008, 11:21 AM, said:
Scoring: MP
1NT-3♣-P-P
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1NT=15-17.
In the E/W methods, 2♣ would be conventional, 3♣ is their only way to show a single-suiter in clubs. Double of 3♣ by partner would have been take-out
1NT-3♣-P-P
??
1NT=15-17.
In the E/W methods, 2♣ would be conventional, 3♣ is their only way to show a single-suiter in clubs. Double of 3♣ by partner would have been take-out
IMO _X = 10, _P = 4.
I am surprised you gave Dbl the rating of 4. Why so much?
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Posted 2008-July-06, 10:28
peachy, on Jul 6 2008, 11:25 AM, said:
nige1, on Jul 5 2008, 08:25 PM, said:
FrancesHinden, on Jul 5 2008, 11:21 AM, said:
Scoring: MP
1NT-3♣-P-P
??
1NT=15-17.
In the E/W methods, 2♣ would be conventional, 3♣ is their only way to show a single-suiter in clubs. Double of 3♣ by partner would have been take-out
1NT-3♣-P-P
??
1NT=15-17.
In the E/W methods, 2♣ would be conventional, 3♣ is their only way to show a single-suiter in clubs. Double of 3♣ by partner would have been take-out
IMO _X = 10, _P = 4.
I am surprised you gave Dbl the rating of 4. Why so much?
I meant of course *rating for Pass* - one day I might learn to read what I reply before pressing the Send...
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Posted 2008-July-06, 11:09
nige1, on Jul 5 2008, 08:25 PM, said:
IMO _X = 10, _P = 4.
peachy, on Jul 6 2008, 11:28 AM, said:
I am surprised you gave Pass the rating of 4. Why so much?
In particular a mark below 5 indicates an option that I judge may work but that will work infrequently or that I dislike.
Even so, these ratings often omit some perfectly sensible alternative by mistake (:
Manifestly they represent fallible opinions
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Posted 2008-July-06, 20:30
if we play 1NT 3♣ x as takeout
what sort of hands does partner have that he wouldnt double on or not bid 3NT?
we are most likely eliminating 6 baggers in the majors or weird 6-5 hands or he would just bid game in a major.
From the simulations I ran the best contract is usually 3♦ and it at best is 48%. It looks like to me from the simulations I ran its just best to play 1NT 3minor double as penalty.
3♥ 3♠ from the simulations are at best 40% to take 9 tricks and 3nt is more around 20%. So reopening with double is a crap shoot. Doesnt look like there is alot to gain vs defending 3♣. Maybe we just need to change our methods.
what sort of hands does partner have that he wouldnt double on or not bid 3NT?
we are most likely eliminating 6 baggers in the majors or weird 6-5 hands or he would just bid game in a major.
From the simulations I ran the best contract is usually 3♦ and it at best is 48%. It looks like to me from the simulations I ran its just best to play 1NT 3minor double as penalty.
3♥ 3♠ from the simulations are at best 40% to take 9 tricks and 3nt is more around 20%. So reopening with double is a crap shoot. Doesnt look like there is alot to gain vs defending 3♣. Maybe we just need to change our methods.
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Posted 2008-July-06, 22:24
pigpenz, on Jul 6 2008, 09:30 PM, said:
if we play 1NT 3♣ x as takeout
what sort of hands does partner have that he wouldnt double on or not bid 3NT?
we are most likely eliminating 6 baggers in the majors or weird 6-5 hands or he would just bid game in a major.
From the simulations I ran the best contract is usually 3♦ and it at best is 48%. It looks like to me from the simulations I ran its just best to play 1NT 3minor double as penalty.
3♥ 3♠ from the simulations are at best 40% to take 9 tricks and 3nt is more around 20%. So reopening with double is a crap shoot. Doesnt look like there is alot to gain vs defending 3♣. Maybe we just need to change our methods.
what sort of hands does partner have that he wouldnt double on or not bid 3NT?
we are most likely eliminating 6 baggers in the majors or weird 6-5 hands or he would just bid game in a major.
From the simulations I ran the best contract is usually 3♦ and it at best is 48%. It looks like to me from the simulations I ran its just best to play 1NT 3minor double as penalty.
3♥ 3♠ from the simulations are at best 40% to take 9 tricks and 3nt is more around 20%. So reopening with double is a crap shoot. Doesnt look like there is alot to gain vs defending 3♣. Maybe we just need to change our methods.
I truly don't understand how you drew your conclusions from these results, or really how any conclusions can be drawn from them. What % of the time do we have something better than defending 3♣ (no matter what that is) that double will find for us? Including 3♣X going down.
I also don't see why partner can't be weak with a 6 card major.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
1NT-3♣-P-P
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