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".....I completely agree that the way to go is 2-way game tries. I have to admit that I don't remember the last time I actually made a game try. I just bid game.
The system we play is geared towards partner being comfortable with making game tries, and me being comfortable making slam tries.
I use science for slam bidding only. Games are misdefended routinely, or are on an opening lead problem, that it pays to just close your eyes and bid them,
in my opinion......"
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Another email discussion.
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Posted 2008-September-03, 10:54
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Posted 2008-September-03, 10:59
I agree that too much bidding to arrive at a contract just tells the opponents how to defend the hand.
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Posted 2008-September-03, 11:09
I don't know if I agree with that - most of the time, the opponents are not listening, anyway.
I will agree with the fact that many (most?) game contracts will make if the opponents are given a chance to misdefend. I made a ridiculous overbid in an ACBL game on BBO last night (just one?), and made my 3NT due to a favorable lie of the opponents. The contract had zero chance of making on the lie of the cards.
I will agree with the fact that many (most?) game contracts will make if the opponents are given a chance to misdefend. I made a ridiculous overbid in an ACBL game on BBO last night (just one?), and made my 3NT due to a favorable lie of the opponents. The contract had zero chance of making on the lie of the cards.
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Posted 2008-September-03, 11:15
ArtK78, on Sep 3 2008, 12:09 PM, said:
I made a ridiculous overbid in an ACBL game on BBO last night (just one?), and made my 3NT due to a favorable lie of the opponents.
A favorable lie of one's opponents tends to be far more useful than a favorable lie of one's opponents' cards.
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Posted 2008-September-03, 11:57
Certainly in club bridge I agree.
In bridge of a decent standard there is some merit to stopping in 3 when it is right.
In bridge of a decent standard there is some merit to stopping in 3 when it is right.
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Posted 2008-September-03, 13:05
Sometimes it is right to blast, sometimes it is right to investigate.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-September-03, 22:39
han, on Sep 3 2008, 02:05 PM, said:
Sometimes it is right to blast, sometimes it is right to investigate.
You have been watching the political speeches too much. A lot of words, but nothing is said.
I agree with the basic concept of quantitative bash game bidding, myself. The only real exception is that I occasionally toss out the new suit bid with trashy 5-5's, mostly to save the chance of -1 in 3M when a field option of 2M could be set.
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Posted 2008-September-04, 09:13
kenrexford, on Sep 3 2008, 11:39 PM, said:
han, on Sep 3 2008, 02:05 PM, said:
Sometimes it is right to blast, sometimes it is right to investigate.
You have been watching the political speeches too much. A lot of words, but nothing is said.
A lot of words?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-September-04, 09:46
I thought it was quite succinct and got the point across pretty well, myself.
The difference between theory and practice is that in theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice, there is.
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Posted 2008-September-04, 10:00
han, on Sep 4 2008, 05:13 PM, said:
kenrexford, on Sep 3 2008, 11:39 PM, said:
han, on Sep 3 2008, 02:05 PM, said:
Sometimes it is right to blast, sometimes it is right to investigate.
You have been watching the political speeches too much. A lot of words, but nothing is said.
A lot of words?
Nothing said??
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Harald
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Posted 2008-September-04, 10:17
kenrexford, on Sep 3 2008, 11:39 PM, said:
han, on Sep 3 2008, 02:05 PM, said:
Sometimes it is right to blast, sometimes it is right to investigate.
You have been watching the political speeches too much. A lot of words, but nothing is said.
Ouch. From a lawyer!!!
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-September-04, 10:21
jdonn, on Sep 4 2008, 11:17 AM, said:
Ouch. From a lawyer!!!
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Ouch. From a lawyer!!!
You know what Shakespeare said...
1. LSAT tutor for rent.
Call me Desdinova...Eternal Light
C. It's the nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms.
IV: ace 333: pot should be game, idk
e: "Maybe God remembered how cute you were as a carrot."
Call me Desdinova...Eternal Light
C. It's the nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms.
IV: ace 333: pot should be game, idk
e: "Maybe God remembered how cute you were as a carrot."
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Posted 2008-September-04, 15:00
Lobowolf, on Sep 4 2008, 11:21 AM, said:
jdonn, on Sep 4 2008, 11:17 AM, said:
Ouch. From a lawyer!!!
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Ouch. From a lawyer!!!
You know what Shakespeare said...
A rose by any other name?
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
So many experts, not enough X cards.
So many experts, not enough X cards.
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Posted 2008-September-04, 16:40
Yeah, I kinda stepped in my own doodie there! LOL
"Gibberish in, gibberish out. A trial judge, three sets of lawyers, and now three appellate judges cannot agree on what this law means. And we ask police officers, prosecutors, defense lawyers, and citizens to enforce or abide by it? The legislature continues to write unreadable statutes. Gibberish should not be enforced as law."
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Posted 2008-September-04, 17:07
I think that whether a game try mechanism is merited depends in no small part on the range of partner's expressed values. But I suppose you can turn that on its head and say that partner's expressed values should be narrowly defined so as to eliminate the requirement of a game try?
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
s
t
r-m
nd
ing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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