[blackest_k]

I think something simple in the discription of your table like
8+ hands
is enough to alert someone that you object to players who will leave after a few hands or

no tournys

or "just a few" if you don't mind

in the main bridgeclub you always have the option of setting your own table and
setting what you expect from people joining.

create a "waiting room" for tourny registrees , waiting for regular partner, 15 minutes to spare, nobody is forced to use it but playing in there you will expect a shortgame. (is that easy to impliment)

I often can't sit for 2 hours but a hand or 2 can be fun if everyone knows you may not be there for long.

must be a simple solution somewhere that doesn't create more problems for everyone else to keep a few happy.

regards
john

[csdenmark]

blackest_k, on Apr 25 2004, 12:51 AM, said:

create a "waiting room" for tourny registrees , waiting for regular partner, 15 minutes  to spare, nobody is forced to use it but playing in there you will expect a shortgame. (is that easy to impliment)

I often can't sit for 2 hours but a hand or 2 can be fun if everyone knows you may not be there for long.

Yes John - very simple to create such a waiting room. The simple solution is to create a public club named 'Tourney waiting' or such. Nothing else. And Fred will do so in minutes.

My table description is now:

Beznazwy, Lambda, Regres, Moscito, Quadri Italia, Leghorn Diamond, Roman Club, Precision, Meckwell, Hamway, Blue Team, Polish Club, KS. ----------------------------------------------- I don’t play SAYC,2o1,ACOL etc. WEB: http://csdenmark.n2v.net ------------------------------------------ Table jumping, incl. sucked to tourney, will be reported for misconduct. Don’t sit if you have less than 1 hour. All serious players welcome.

Sad to say - I have already reported the first ones. A few more I ought to report for sucked to tourney - but I wait a bit processing that.

[Frosty]

I'm a little disappointed to see so many suggestions of hoops for people to jump thru in the MBC. There really has to be some place on BBO for purely casual bridge. This is where people meet people, try out new partners, kill time before a tournament starts, etc.

If it is not to be the MBC, then perhaps there needs to be another "room" labelled CASUAL BRIDGE that is open to players 24-7 for just that. None of this "you can't play at my table if your parakeet has the flu, if you bought milk today, or if you drive barefoot". I don't think there is anything wrong with table hopping in a Casual bridge setting. I also think there is nothing wrong with playing in an open area until a tournament begins - so long as you observe the simple courtesy of letting the others at the table know that your stay is limited. Granted, I don't play often in the MBC, but I think we may be in overkill mode here.

I know that many of us are deadly serious about the game of bridge, but it IS still a game! If BBO's "open" playing area comes with a boatload of rules and strictures, people who are visitiing the site - not finding a place they can just try things out - are likely to be put off.

Frosty

[csdenmark]

Exactly Frosty - that would be helpful to all. Nothing else needed than you mail Fred@bridgebase.com asking him to create a public club named CASUAL BRIDGE.
Whoops - it will be there and all happy. All works in exactly the same manner as MBC and no reporting for table jumping will be accepted from that area. It is for all with 1-30 minutes.

[uday]

I agree that we might have enough tables to create a second "room" but i think we should think carefully on the basis on which we split the field. I don't think we have a 50-50 split between people who would use the casual room and people who would remain in the main bridge club.

[csdenmark]

uday, on Apr 27 2004, 02:02 PM, said:

I agree that we might have enough tables to create a second "room" but i think we should think carefully on the basis on which we split the field. I don't think we have a 50-50 split between people who would use the casual room and people who would remain in the main bridge club.

Right Uday! I have earlier asked the TD's to come up with some kind of creativity - but until now they seems not ready to communicate in order to search for good solutions for all.

The advantage of the public club solution is it is very simple to implement because no software modifications needed. Only information is needed. Lift off will be able to take place in minutes. Then we can try something and discuss on the basis of experience instead of pure anger and frustration.

[blackest_k]

how do you make the casual room successful? it needs to be used regularly and have a high traffic or people will carry on just playing in the main bridge club, regardless of time and that will not solve this problem.

A radical idea but what if you replaced the main bridge club with two doors casual and serious. each user then has to make a choice.

however the casual room as a public club ,promoted on the mainpage and on tournament sign up pages, could be successful I am trying to think of this as a gathering area before the main event or a place to meet your prefered partner

at least if it doesnt catch on to a great extent minimal changes will have been made.

regards

John

[EdmundB]

Just my two cents: Instead of attempting to control the behavior of people who have signed up for a tournament, just assign a symbol to that player's ID, so people will know in advance that the player is going to zip out.

Then the table can decide what to do.

[csdenmark]

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how do you make the casual room successful?

I dont think it will be successfull but easy to test via public club set up as no modifications will be needed. I think no serious players will enter such an area but I also think it is worth giving it a try and discuss on the basis of knowledge. At least then the pressure will be put on the offenders to suggest something.

Saying that - you may make the assumption that from that day it will be just disastrous for people who are to be sucked out from a table in MBC.

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Instead of attempting to control the behavior of people who have signed up for a tournament, just assign a symbol to that player's ID, so people will know in advance that the player is going to zip out.

Then the table can decide what to do.

Unacceptable and restricted acc. to BBO rules for decent behavior. Leaving a table in the middle of a game is a major offence acc. to rules. No mercy for the rude people will be the message.

[bearmum]

csdenmark, on Apr 29 2004, 11:27 PM, said:

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how do you make the casual room successful?

I dont think it will be successfull but easy to test via public club set up as no modifications will be needed. I think no serious players will enter such an area but I also think it is worth giving it a try and discuss on the basis of knowledge. At least then the pressure will be put on the offenders to suggest something.

Saying that - you may make the assumption that from that day it will be just disastrous for people who are to be sucked out from a table in MBC.

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Instead of attempting to control the behavior of people who have signed up for a tournament, just assign a symbol to that player's ID, so people will know in advance that the player is going to zip out.

Then the table can decide what to do.

Unacceptable and restricted acc. to BBO rules for decent behavior. Leaving a table in the middle of a game is a major offence acc. to rules. No mercy for the rude people will be the message.

BUT what hapens IF players DON'T speak English?? - and don't understand BBO rules????????

BTW this is a corrollary to my question on asking to say WHAT languages you can understand on profile for which I was vilified

[JRG]

bearmum, on Apr 29 2004, 09:41 AM, said:

BTW this is a corrollary to my question on asking to say WHAT languages you can understand on profile for which I was vilified :blink:

I don't remember seeing your post about this.

I think it would be nice if there was a easy way for people to indicate in their profiles which languages they can understand -- perhaps with an indication of "Fluent", "Can Understand", or "A Little".

By "easy way", I mean having a list from which to select and not having a text field that people can expropriate to indicate they play the Canary Club system or some such.

[csdenmark]

I dont think language problems is a hard problem here. The rules we are discussing are nothing else but standards in all cultures for how to behave. Those violating such have more basic problems and ought to deal with that themselves.

I think all young people today have learned english. For those people with hard language problems there are web-sites for bridge play in english, danish, dutch, chinese, spanish and maybe more.

The poles with hard problems in english you will normally be able to contact in german or russian. Those romanians, maybe also bulgarians, with hard problems in english you will normally be able to contact in french. For the poles and the italians there are specialized BBO web-sites.

[Gerardo]

Think you'll have more luck with the bulgarians in russian or polish rather than french. Bulgarians are slavs, romanians are latins.

[EdmundB]

csdenmark, on Apr 29 2004, 05:27 AM, said:

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Instead of attempting to control the behavior of people who have signed up for a tournament, just assign a symbol to that player's ID, so people will know in advance that the player is going to zip out.

Then the table can decide what to do.

Unacceptable and restricted acc. to BBO rules for decent behavior. Leaving a table in the middle of a game is a major offence acc. to rules. No mercy for the rude people will be the message.

OK, consider delaying zip-off to tournaments until the end of the hand (or being dummy.) It's not like the first few seconds of a tournament are that productive, what with all the TD's screaming at the top of their keyboards.

(yes, this could have problems, too.)

[bearmum]

JRG, on Apr 30 2004, 05:52 AM, said:

bearmum, on Apr 29 2004, 09:41 AM, said:

BTW this is a corrollary to my question  on asking to say WHAT languages you can understand  on profile for which I was vilified 

I don't remember seeing your post about this.

I think it would be nice if there was a easy way for people to indicate in their profiles which languages they can understand -- perhaps with an indication of "Fluent", "Can Understand", or "A Little".

By "easy way", I mean having a list from which to select and not having a text field that people can expropriate to indicate they play the Canary Club system or some such.

The original question was in "Suggestion for the software" posted April 26 2004 @9.32 PM



AND I believe you have been the ONE person who answered my question with something other than NASTY comments - even though you MISSED the question

[Gerardo]

Edmund, think you're right on the money.

Not sure about how difficult could be to implement though.

Even then, what to do with people who left to table in middle to be moved to the tourney faster? I'd put automatic A- in the first board, maybe plus another punishment.

But I see no easy way when people leave BBO just to be put in tourney table when coming back.

[csdenmark]

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OK, consider delaying zip-off to tournaments until the end of the hand (or being dummy.) It's not like the first few seconds of a tournament are that productive, what with all the TD's screaming at the top of their keyboards.

OK, consider delaying zip-off to tournaments until the end of the hand (or being dummy.) It's not like the first few seconds of a tournament are that productive
Edmund I agree with Gerardo - your solution will be in accordance to the rules. They will still not be welcome at my tables as they don't intend to play bridge with me but somebody else.

what with all the TD's screaming at the top of their keyboards
Be sure - they will need to find new ways themselves. Maybe a childrengarden like 'Casual Bridge' will be the spot.

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But I see no easy way when people leave BBO just to be put in tourney table when coming back

But I see no easy way when people leave BBO
To be reported for serious violating the rules. I do so.

just to be put in tourney table when coming back
What to do coming back is of no concern to the rules I think.

[mr1303]

Well it's been done.

Will this apply to private / public clubs as well, or only the main bridge club? I feel I might have to cut down the number of tournaments I play in as a result.

[uday]

All tables, everywhere.

Lets see how it goes. As the discussions to date have claimed, leaving a table after a board or two is disconcerting and sometimes irritating to the opps.

[hallway]

Will this mean that my members will not be able to meet up in the BIL and have a practice together before the start of a lesson 'tourney' UNLESS they make a point of being at a table 16 + minutes before the scheduled start time ?

If that is so , I presume that they can get around that by not registering until I send out the 5 minute warning ?

Thank goodness we only have tourneys with a few tables - could become a stampede ! - lol