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So it seems you have two arguments in favor of 2♥, that it's a good bid and that it's a bad bid.
I'll stick with 4♣.
Slam try Big 6-5 hand - p bids your 2nd suit
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A simple slam try of 6S. Sure 4C is the techically correct bid, but even if you have 2H losers, a blast to 6S may well get you a C lead.
If you want to be devious, Ken, I suggest a 4H splinter followed by 6S.
If you want to be devious, Ken, I suggest a 4H splinter followed by 6S.
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petergreat, on May 29 2009, 11:47 PM, said:
I'd bid 3♠ first.
gaining 7 imps because the other pair bid slam and you got 210?
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210?
Surely if you want to be devious 5H exclusion is better than 4H. But it is all far too unilateral for me.
Surely if you want to be devious 5H exclusion is better than 4H. But it is all far too unilateral for me.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-May-30, 02:47
se12sam, on May 29 2009, 06:26 PM, said:
If the consensus is "one more move" then why not 5♣ as Exclusion Key Card immediately?
The things we want to know are:
- Do we have heart control?
- Do we have ♦K?
- If we don't have ♦K, do we have ♥A plus either ♣A or ♥Q?
Exclusion Keycard doesn't answer any of those questions.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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After 4♣-4♠, I don't think he can have as much as ♠Q+♥K+♦K, or ♠Q+♥AQ, or five spades with the same red-suit holdings.
Opposite xxxx AQx xxx xxx, slam is roughly 60%. Can he have as much as that?
I think he can't, but even if he can, there are lots of more likely hands like xxxx xxx xxx AQx, where 4♠ is odds-on but 5♠ is awful, or QJxx xxx xxx KQx, where 4♠ is almost cold but 5♠ is 50%.
I'd pass.
Opposite xxxx AQx xxx xxx, slam is roughly 60%. Can he have as much as that?
I think he can't, but even if he can, there are lots of more likely hands like xxxx xxx xxx AQx, where 4♠ is odds-on but 5♠ is awful, or QJxx xxx xxx KQx, where 4♠ is almost cold but 5♠ is 50%.
I'd pass.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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For the record (and for some more LOLs), responder held QJxx KQx Kx xxxx.
At one table opener rebid 4♣ and responder rebid (we must assume while looking at some other hand) 4♠.
At the other table opener tried 5♣ exclusion and bid the slam over the no aces answer. Not all bridge crimes are punished. The meek responder from the first table pointed to this auction as "proof" that it was partner's fault.
At one table opener rebid 4♣ and responder rebid (we must assume while looking at some other hand) 4♠.
At the other table opener tried 5♣ exclusion and bid the slam over the no aces answer. Not all bridge crimes are punished. The meek responder from the first table pointed to this auction as "proof" that it was partner's fault.
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BillHiggin, on May 30 2009, 04:42 AM, said:
For the record (and for some more LOLs), responder held QJxx KQx Kx xxxx.
At one table opener rebid 4♣ and responder rebid (we must assume while looking at some other hand) 4♠.
At the other table opener tried 5♣ exclusion and bid the slam over the no aces answer. Not all bridge crimes are punished. The meek responder from the first table pointed to this auction as "proof" that it was partner's fault.
At one table opener rebid 4♣ and responder rebid (we must assume while looking at some other hand) 4♠.
At the other table opener tried 5♣ exclusion and bid the slam over the no aces answer. Not all bridge crimes are punished. The meek responder from the first table pointed to this auction as "proof" that it was partner's fault.
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Firing squad.
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Posted 2009-May-30, 10:22
BillHiggin, on May 30 2009, 04:42 AM, said:
For the record (and for some more LOLs), responder held QJxx KQx Kx xxxx.
At one table opener rebid 4♣ and responder rebid (we must assume while looking at some other hand) 4♠.
At one table opener rebid 4♣ and responder rebid (we must assume while looking at some other hand) 4♠.
Have their been new treatments developed lately for lack of all brain wave functions?
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kenrexford, on May 29 2009, 06:40 PM, said:
4♣, but I'm tempted to manufacture a 2♥ reverse.
So that pard can judge his ♥QJx to be great cards and jump to slam?
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Posted 2009-May-30, 12:53
whereagles, on May 30 2009, 11:34 AM, said:
kenrexford, on May 29 2009, 06:40 PM, said:
4♣, but I'm tempted to manufacture a 2♥ reverse.
So that pard can judge his ♥QJx to be great cards and jump to slam?
Well, that's a downside. Then again, maybe that keeps the opponents off a heart lead and we make it anyway.
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