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#1 User is offline   inquiry 

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Posted 2010-August-23, 11:54

Scoring: IMP


East deals and opens 2♥ (weak). West raises to 3♥ if possible after which EW out of auction


6NS=12, 6D-11, 6S=7, 3NS=7, 4S=4, 5D=2, 3Hx=0

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Posted 2010-August-23, 11:56

Someone teach me how to bid this one please !
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Posted 2010-August-23, 12:13

We got to 6D after (2H)-2N-(3H)-X-(p)-4D
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Posted 2010-August-24, 01:58

I am surprised to see 6S being punished so severely in the scoring. 6D is only outscoring it when spades are 5-1 and the CK is onside, it looks like to me (and losing to it every time 6S makes = anytime spades break)... I would expect 6S to be scored ahead of 6D at MPs.
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Posted 2010-August-24, 03:44

also when LHO has ♥A; 4 spades and ♣K
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Posted 2010-August-24, 06:09

JLOGIC, on Aug 23 2010, 07:13 PM, said:

We got to 6D after (2H)-2N-(3H)-X-(p)-4D

Would 3♠ have been forcing? If so, it seems odd to double, which risks losing the 5-3 fit.
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Posted 2010-August-24, 09:19

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We got to 6D after (2H)-2N-(3H)-X-(p)-4D


We bid:

2♥ - 2NT - 3♥ - 3♠
pass - 3NT passes

2NT might be underbid (some of my friends think so).
Why did you chose a double instead of 3♠ ?
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Posted 2010-August-24, 09:41

I overbid (again), and cuebid 4♥ on the sequence

(2♥) - dbl - (3♥) - 4♥

Partner made me pick a minor with 4NT then raised to 6.
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Posted 2010-August-24, 17:11

Shouldn't 6♠ clearly be ahead of 6♦? By comparison 6♦ wins any time spades are 5-1. 6♠ wins any time spades are 3-3 or 4-2 and the club is on. That seems a lot more likely to me.
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Posted 2010-August-24, 17:31

jdonn, on Aug 24 2010, 06:11 PM, said:

Shouldn't 6♠ clearly be ahead of 6♦? By comparison 6♦ wins any time spades are 5-1. 6♠ wins any time spades are 3-3 or 4-2 and the club is on. That seems a lot more likely to me.

If almost everyone is in 4S, then 6D is definitely better than 6S.
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Posted 2010-August-24, 18:24

JLOGIC, on Aug 24 2010, 06:31 PM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 24 2010, 06:11 PM, said:

Shouldn't 6♠ clearly be ahead of 6♦? By comparison 6♦ wins any time spades are 5-1. 6♠ wins any time spades are 3-3 or 4-2 and the club is on. That seems a lot more likely to me.

If almost everyone is in 4S, then 6D is definitely better than 6S.

But still a 7 for 6S is really low. I would think it makes 75%+% of the time: they only bid to 3H on a 10-card fit, so a good spade break is even more likely than the 85% rpbridge.net calculates under the assumption of hearts being 6-4; and if they have a diamond ruff they still have to find it.
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Posted 2010-August-24, 18:56

It's true 6♦ is better if people aren't in slam, but as next mentioned it's also true that 6♠ is worth more than a 7 in any case. I mean it's still better than 3NT as long as it makes more often than not which I'm very convinced it does.
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Posted 2010-August-24, 18:58

Yeah I agree with both of you
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Posted 2010-August-24, 22:33

jdonn, on Aug 24 2010, 07:56 PM, said:

It's true 6♦ is better if people aren't in slam, but as next mentioned it's also true that 6♠ is worth more than a 7 in any case. I mean it's still better than 3NT as long as it makes more often than not which I'm very convinced it does.

Shouldn't partials be worth a little something if some slams are going down? <ducks>
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Posted 2010-August-25, 14:49

TimG, on Aug 24 2010, 11:33 PM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 24 2010, 07:56 PM, said:

It's true 6♦ is better if people aren't in slam, but as next mentioned it's also true that 6♠ is worth more than a 7 in any case. I mean it's still better than 3NT as long as it makes more often than not which I'm very convinced it does.

Shouldn't partials be worth a little something if some slams are going down? <ducks>

Sure they should be worth more than 0.
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