[the hog]

flytoox, on Sep 18 2010, 10:22 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Sep 18 2010, 03:06 AM, said:

"But please dont  forget the default agreement."

According to whom? Can you please cite references which say this is the default agreement?

You didnt see this:"I also said in our partnership, 2S always promises 3 card support."?

Enough for me.

Yes you did say this in a later post. However i was not commenting on your statement but rather Sigmund's and the later cposts that 2S shows 3 by default.
Had Sigmund said that "for him" 2S always shows 3, that would be a different story.

Quote Agua: "enough here, too. a previous thread and one text of many are not enough. Lord knows what he considers worthy of acknowledging."
I assume you read in the other thread that quite a few do not play that it necessarily promises 3?

Quote peachy: "Agree with hanp that there really is no need to find a book that says that. It is common bridge logic IMO." Why? Please explain! For me it is logical that it is a waiting bid, asking opener to describe his hand further. A hand where responder does not want to bid 2NT, perhaps because the hand is unbalanced and/or lacks a stopper in the 4th suit.

Anyway, you can bid anyway you like - I don't give a fig. I just have to laugh when people say "the default is 3 because that is the way I play." As I have already said, there are many flavours of 2/1.

[ONEferBRID]

aguahombre, on Sep 17 2010, 12:03 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Sep 17 2010, 06:54 AM, said:

Ok Han. Show me the definitive book in which it is written that it is 3 card support. Pls quote the title and page number.

Sorry if only Han should have answered, but try Hardy orange, page 43, example 34A.

Also, in Hardy's old yellow paperback, page 98.

" A 2/1 response does not deny that Responder has 3 card support for Opener's major. "....
"When Opener's rebid is in a suit at the 2-level that is lower ranking than his original suit, Responder has the opportunity to to show his 3 card fit at the 2-level."

[the hog]

ONEferBRID, on Sep 18 2010, 08:51 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Sep 17 2010, 12:03 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Sep 17 2010, 06:54 AM, said:

Ok Han. Show me the definitive book in which it is written that it is 3 card support. Pls quote the title and page number.

Sorry if only Han should have answered, but try Hardy orange, page 43, example 34A.

Also, in Hardy's old yellow paperback, page 98.

" A 2/1 response does not deny that Responder has 3 card support for Opener's major. "....
"When Opener's rebid is in a suit at the 2-level that is lower ranking than his original suit, Responder has the opportunity to to show his 3 card fit at the 2-level."

OneFer, I don't disagree with any of this. What I am commenting on is the comment that 3 card support is a standard/default agreement if responder now bids 2M. I don't see that your Hardy quote states that resp MUST have 3M to bid 2 of opener's Major.