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#1 User is offline   rduran1216 

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Posted 2011-May-09, 20:21

Club game, MP's



Playing Negative free bids but no agreement about the sequence. Curious to hear what you'd do wth no agreements within a precision context.

How to proceed?
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Posted 2011-May-09, 20:38

4H. If the opponents bid 5D and partner raises I'd bid 6.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-May-09, 21:29

Isn't double negative? I think I'd double and get to six in the major partner bids. If he doesn't bid a major, I'd cue-bid, which I expect partner to understand as a two-suiter. Thankfully (or regretfully) no one's come up with a double exclusion KC.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win


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Posted 2011-May-09, 22:13

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-May-09, 21:29, said:

Isn't double negative? I think I'd double and get to six in the major partner bids. If he doesn't bid a major, I'd cue-bid, which I expect partner to understand as a two-suiter. Thankfully (or regretfully) no one's come up with a double exclusion KC.

Now this must be one of the worst negative doubles ever suggested on BBF.
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Posted 2011-May-09, 23:01

But you have the 2 unbid suits!
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Posted 2011-May-10, 01:46

with ♥AQJ I'd bid only hearts, but AKJ might enjoy a ruff in dummy if we play in spades, so 3♠ now, some hearts later.
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Posted 2011-May-10, 06:13

View Posthan, on 2011-May-09, 20:38, said:

4H. If the opponents bid 5D and partner raises I'd bid 6.


This exactly. Either the opponents have diamonds and won't stop the bidding at 4♥ or partner has a chunk of diamonds with his clubs and our hands fit horribly.
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Posted 2011-May-10, 06:52

I've had hands like this and the double void can be bad news - pard is likely to have 4 diamonds and 6 clubs. Just bid 4♦ and be happy with a major game if LHO stays put.

If LHO happens to raise diamonds, then there's a better chance at pard having some fitting cards so you can start pushing it.
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Posted 2011-May-10, 08:34

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-May-10, 06:52, said:

Just bid 4♦ and be happy with a major game if LHO stays put.


Why would 4♦ be pick a major? I would expect it to be a big club raise.
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Posted 2011-May-10, 09:13

huh.. because you don't have another way to show this hand?

Well, ok if it bothers you, by all means bid 3♠ and follow-up with some number of ♥.
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Posted 2011-May-10, 09:56

Playing negative free bids at the 3 level is terrible and leads to this kind of problem. We have the option of driving to slam or jumping to game. My guess would be to drive to slam, but maybe that is too optimistic. I would bid 6D I guess.
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Posted 2011-May-10, 10:03

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-May-10, 09:56, said:

Playing negative free bids at the 3 level is terrible and leads to this kind of problem. We have the option of driving to slam or jumping to game. My guess would be to drive to slam, but maybe that is too optimistic. I would bid 6D I guess.


well it is undiscussed whether it applies in this auction, so if 3M would be 100% forcing does that change your call?
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Posted 2011-May-10, 13:47

View PostPhil, on 2011-May-10, 08:34, said:

Why would 4♦ be pick a major? I would expect it to be a big club raise.


hmmmm actually, playing NFBs you need bids for strong hands, so you must have 4♦ open as majors.
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