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#1 User is offline   jschafer 

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Posted 2011-July-13, 12:30



Just checking if I'm crazy or not ^^
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Posted 2011-July-13, 12:39

Don't have enough information to answer your question.

Now, about the hand.

2 is right on values and shape, but I don't really want to emphasize a suit of 10xxxx. If partner has a minimum (or sub-minimum) opening, he may pass 2 on a small doubleton or, in a pinch, a singleton. Do you really want to play a seven-card fit at the two level on a 10 high fit?

1NT is a better response to 1. If partner passes 1NT (assuming that you do not play it 100% forcing by a passed hand) you are probably in the right spot.

Having said that, one is now faced with what to do over 3. I think that 4 is the percentage call. 3NT has two potential weak points - both minor suits. If partner's hearts do not run, you may not have 9 tricks without giving up the lead once or twice. Besides, it is very embarrassing to lose 4 or 5 tricks in a suit that you bid as a 2/1 response.

I don't like the idea of raising spades. Partner's spades could be forced with diamond leads.

So, I bid 4.
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Posted 2011-July-13, 12:56

3S is clear IMO. Partner will be able to figure this out and decide which game his holding is suitable for.
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Posted 2011-July-13, 13:05

View Postrduran1216, on 2011-July-13, 12:56, said:

3S is clear IMO. Partner will be able to figure this out and decide which game his holding is suitable for.


How does partner know that you have the singleton J as opposed to a void in hearts? The J is a significant card.

Besides, as I already stated, the 4-3 is not likely to be right given that partner could be forced by diamond leads.
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Posted 2011-July-13, 13:20

I have a great hand - everything is working overtime here. I would like a doubleton heart of course.

3 could be misconstrued as looking for a 4-3, or possibly letting partner retreat to 3N.

4 is unambiguous and agrees hearts.
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Posted 2011-July-13, 20:31

I would have bid 1NT over 1H - although it's true that we are somewhat protected by our passed hand status I still wouldn't want to introduce a 10-high five card suit.

Assume you play some sort of drury (or a way of showing 3-card raise on the first round) I will now bid 4C a cue setting hearts which typically may show a singleton honour or a doubleton (some doubletons may be able to bid 3H over 2S). We have very good cards for partner although I am somewhat afraid partner may over/under value their diamond holding (maybe partner will like their Qx or maybe dislike a singleton).
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Posted 2011-July-13, 21:23

agree with artk78

after 1h u have to worry about potential misfit and
be a bit conservative. Save the 2d bids for hands with
at least halfway decent diamonds. The other BIG downside
of 2d is potentially losing a large club fit. It is
very unlikely you have a game if p cannot bid over 1n
(since i dont know system doing best i can).

If we assume the bidding proceeds in a simlar fashion

1h 1n
2s 2n
3h

Your hand is golden for suit contract and p knows you
have a maximum xx hearts yet still bid 3h. The heart J
is easily as good a xx and your KQ spades and side ace
are much more than p might expect go for game. 3S while
a decent bid on values leaves p with illusion you might
be void certainly at most 1 small heart and odds are
mighty thin p has 5 spades.
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Posted 2011-July-13, 22:34

View PostArtK78, on 2011-July-13, 13:05, said:

How does partner know that you have the singleton J as opposed to a void in hearts? The J is a significant card.

Besides, as I already stated, the 4-3 is not likely to be right given that partner could be forced by diamond leads.


If I was void in hearts, I dont think id entertain the possibility of playing 3NT, and may just blast 4S. I wouldn't mind playing this hand in NT, spades, or hearts depending on partner's hand.

I can see the argument that this hand will work great if partner has solid hearts, but can't partner have

AJxx KQxxxx A Qx

I have a great hand for hearts I acknowledge that, but I may not want to be past 4H, which is what 4C almost surely guarentees.
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Posted 2011-July-14, 02:30

I would bid 3S. Agree that 2D was not good, especially with a passed hand one should try to make descriptive calls.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-July-14, 04:14

Thanks for the responses! I also agree about the comments on the 2 bid, it was a bidding problem I was given after the 2 bid was already made.
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Posted 2011-July-14, 07:26

View Postrduran1216, on 2011-July-13, 22:34, said:

If I was void in hearts, I dont think id entertain the possibility of playing 3NT, and may just blast 4S. I wouldn't mind playing this hand in NT, spades, or hearts depending on partner's hand.

I can see the argument that this hand will work great if partner has solid hearts, but can't partner have

AJxx KQxxxx A Qx

I have a great hand for hearts I acknowledge that, but I may not want to be past 4H, which is what 4C almost surely guarentees.


Where do you want to play if partner has the hand you suggest? 6? If your answer is 4, I suggest that 4 is just as good and may be better.
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Posted 2011-July-14, 09:38

View Postrduran1216, on 2011-July-13, 22:34, said:

If I was void in hearts, I dont think id entertain the possibility of playing 3NT, and may just blast 4S. I wouldn't mind playing this hand in NT, spades, or hearts depending on partner's hand.

I can see the argument that this hand will work great if partner has solid hearts, but can't partner have

AJxx KQxxxx A Qx

I have a great hand for hearts I acknowledge that, but I may not want to be past 4H, which is what 4C almost surely guarentees.


Considering its very difficult to construct a passed hand without a primary fit that makes a slam opposite this, I think advancing past 4 would be very bad.

Examples like this do underscore how good hearts play, and how lousy spades play.
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Posted 2011-July-15, 09:03

Why is everybody nuts about slam here? I'll just bid 3 here and hope pard can make 4 of those B-)

By the way, hearts should play safer than the moysian spade fit and that's why I prefer 3 to 3.
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Posted 2011-July-15, 09:54

I'd bid 4
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