[Vampyr]

ditto

[aguahombre]

Vampyr, on 2011-September-08, 19:27, said:

I use four of the minor; perhaps it's not best. but it is simple and easy to remember.

Perhaps it isn't, but it is something; and that is a good thing. Minorwood saves one space of our bidding room vs. Kickback so I like it, too.

[jdeegan]

I feel your pain. I play a lot with pick up pards on BBO, some of whom are very good players. You have to be practical. Your hand suggests 6♣, so I would just bid it. The idea that if 4NT is quantitative, then 4♣ is G**ber is a good one, imo. I remember Johnny G**ber from my younger days in Houston, although he never deigned to actually speak to me.

[mycroft]

minorwood is nice, but king-ask continuations aren't trivial, and almost certainly will both be not agreeable by pickups and needed if you decide to play it (and not needed if you don't - such is life).

[aguahombre]

mycroft, on 2011-September-09, 12:50, said:

minorwood is nice, but king-ask continuations aren't trivial, and almost certainly will both be not agreeable by pickups and needed if you decide to play it (and not needed if you don't - such is life).

Yep, the continuations must have been discussed. Maybe this isn't the place to do so, but what the heck.

After Minorwood, neither 4N nor the agreed minor can be used for further asking bids. So, cheapest other suit would be queen-ask, and next other suit would be king-ask (I believe).

Example: 4C-4H..now, 4S would be for trump queen, etc; and 5D would be the king-ask. answers can include 4NT or 5m, but not the questions.