[MrAce]

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How do u plan to bid this hand, or do you just blast it ?

[aguahombre]

maybe too optimistic, but at the table I would let the minor suits take care of themselves; set clubs as trump to find out about the spade Ace; and then blast.

2C-2D (waiting)
3C...partner must show any aces. If she shows the heart ace, an asking bid in spades will follow. If she shows the spade ace and the heart ace, dunno if I will gamble 7NT or not.

This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2011-September-12, 16:54

[Hanoi5]

I might just blast it. It would be interesting to open 1♣ and then bid 5♦, though.

[BunnyGo]

It'd be amusing to actually bid

2C-2D
7D

with a hand not completely inappropriate for it, just to see the look on partner's face.

[inquiry]

This is what you get for playing in a ghoulash event... IF you have a sequences where you can ask for specific aces, use it and bid 6 or 7 clubs depending upon the reply.

Since this hand falls into the MisIry category, I will tell how the auction would go using that method (I have a specific ace auction I could use instead, and would use that).

South would open 3♦ showing a weak hand with hearts OR a strong hands with diamonds and a black suit. The auction will probably become competitive in here, but no matter. I will plan on rebidding 6♣. This is not the best of all auctions, but it says that I have a diamond-club two suiter and only one loser. This one loser is not in the lowest side suit (this reminds me that the draft misiry notes, I did some cut-and-paste in the table of rebids and sometimes where it talks about losers in the lowest side suit it says "clubs" when it should be lowest side suit. The text is correct describing how it works, but the table "wrong" as noted).

Sadly, I may have AK of hearts doubleton and a void in spades, needing the club ACE. So here partner with the spade ace is poorly placed to know if it is working. Hands like this are thus better suited for specific ace asking and risk clubs being solid.

[MrAce]

inquiry, on 2011-September-11, 23:48, said:

This is what you get for playing in a ghoulash event....

This was not from a goulash event. It was from a regular teamgame held by worldclass players. South is known to be extremely conservative player. He found the winning bid. Other table played 6♣ for -1

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[Cyberyeti]

Actually he didn't find the winning bid, 6♦ is the winning bid, but there's only one man in this world who'd find that.

[MrAce]

Cyberyeti, on 2011-September-12, 01:48, said:

Actually he didn't find the winning bid, 6♦ is the winning bid, but there's only one man in this world who'd find that.

Who ?

[mfa1010]

Cyberyeti, on 2011-September-12, 01:48, said:

Actually he didn't find the winning bid, 6♦ is the winning bid, but there's only one man in this world who'd find that.

Don't mention the war.

[BunnyGo]

mfa1010, on 2011-September-12, 04:14, said:

Don't mention the war.

Not even a link to the old thread?

[TWO4BRIDGE]

MrAce, on 2011-September-12, 02:12, said:

Who ?

Can you say: Spingold ?

[ArtK78]

I can see a way of arriving at the magic 6♦ contract.

In the original version of Romex, a 4NT opening bid shows a monster 56/65 minor suited hand with two major suit singletons and 11 playing tricks. If someone were playing such a method and were misguided enough to open this hand 4NT (despite its obvious flaws) responder might place the contract in 6♦.

How would you like to be on the receiving end of that auction?

[han]

A world class player who held this hand and opened 5C? Not sure I believe this story.

[aguahombre]

I think he meant a world class GIB.

[whereagles]

I'd probably open 6C because I can't imagine passing the N hand.

[aguahombre]

whereagles, on 2011-September-12, 14:52, said:

I'd probably open 6C because I can't imagine passing the N hand.

No, but I can imagine N passing with a couple clubs and the spade bullet. This is not placing cards, this is checking for cards.

[whereagles]

If you have a tool to check for the spade ace, by all means use it. Otherwise this is probably a case where it's best to play the odds.

[MrAce]

The tool for checking specific aces is as old as it can be, and i still use it.

In the notes of Bobby Goldman's Sayc opening 2♣ and then jumping in a new suit sets the trumps and asks for aces and kings.

2♣--2♦
3♠-4x = Ace of x, 3NT = No Ace but king or kings, 4♠ = nothing, 4NT= same color 2 aces, 5♣ 2 major or minor aces, 5♦ mixed 2 aces

So on this hand he can bid

2♣--2♦
4♣--4♠ etc etc, after learning the ace u can investigate K or Q situation if available...

However Jimmy Cayne and Michael Seamon has their own agreements, they respond to 2♣ with controls so it is even easier for them. He may have bid the way he did for strategical reasons perhaps , i dont know tbh.

And no, it was not GIB, he was Jimmy Cayne who opened 5♣. Those who thinks i am making up a story for some reason can check from hand records, its available for everyone. http://www.bridgebase.com/points/

[Fluffy]

If this bid was made from anyone else on the Cayne Match it would be obvious that someone was cehating there again, but I don't think Cayne cheats himself.

[han]

I am not sure exactly how good Cayne is, and I don't care to speculate about it. I find this 5C call really strange though.