[Fluffy]

♠A964
♥AKQ76532
♦-
♣A

First postition unfavourable

[whereagles]

Well, open 2C. Who knows, maybe pard replies 2S

You can always blast 6H later on, so for now you can go slow.

[wank]

1♥ - best chance of getting partner to show a spade suit

[dwar0123]

 wank, on 2012-January-29, 19:10, said:

1♥ - best chance of getting partner to show a spade suit

With my luck he will have the akxx of diamonds a void in hearts and 4 spades to the 10.

[Fluffy]

after 1♥ LHO bids 2NT and partner doubles, after 2♣ I think LHO will also bid 2NT for the minors and partner will again double

[Codo]

2 ♣ (2NT) X (pass?)
3 ♥

Does partners double just show points or does he show the ability to give a penalty double of a minor?
In the later case I would stop at 4 ♥ if I hear no further encouragement from partner. In the first case, I will try 6♥. If partner shows spades, I would look for 7 if possible, else stop in six of a major, without yet knowing which to pick.

This post has been edited by Codo: 2012-January-30, 08:40

[phil_20686]

If i opened 1H i am well placed as now can auto splinter into diamonds.

[whereagles]

I take it that dbl of 2NT is penalty-seeking. If so, I'll just bid 4H now. It's normal to find pard with a spade honor, but that might be the best he has there. The hand has devaluated and I'll bid accordingly. This isn't very scientific, but you can't have it all after a pree.

[Statto]

 whereagles, on 2012-January-30, 08:32, said:

I take it that dbl of 2NT is penalty-seeking. If so, I'll just bid 4H now. It's normal to find pard with a spade honor, but that might be the best he has there. The hand has devaluated and I'll bid accordingly. This isn't very scientific, but you can't have it all after a pree.

I think so too, so I'll pass for penalty before bidding 4♥.

[Fluffy]

if you pass 2NT X LHO bids 3♣ and partner doubles

if you bid 3♥ partner bids 3NT

if you bid 4♦ auto-splinter partner will bid 4♥

[whereagles]

I guess that means I get to play 4H. Can I have the play problem now, please?

[Statto]

 Fluffy, on 2012-January-31, 04:58, said:

if you pass 2NT X LHO bids 3♣ and partner doubles

I think I can now bid 3♥ and it should be GF setting trumps (I started with 1♥), but I wouldn't be confident of that with any partnership, so I'd probably bid 4♥.

[Poky]

Anything but 1♥ is a crime.

[Fluffy]

so here is the final results, the hand was had dealt at the club:

LHO is 2056, partner is 2074, RHO is 5512


If you play 3♣X there are 6 unavoidable losers for declarer, +300 is almost a top

If you bid 4♥ you go down 2 for a good score 60-70%

If you play 6♥ with this particular opponent you go down 4 undoubled wich is a poor score anyway of around 25%.

[rhm]

 whereagles, on 2012-January-30, 08:32, said:

I take it that dbl of 2NT is penalty-seeking. If so, I'll just bid 4H now. It's normal to find pard with a spade honor, but that might be the best he has there. The hand has devaluated and I'll bid accordingly. This isn't very scientific, but you can't have it all after a pree.

It would never occur to me to stop below six, if my partner doubled 2NT over 1♥.
I admit I am firmly in the 2♣ camp, but having opened 1♥ with a reasonable partner I would auto splinter with 4♦, followed up by 5♣ over 4♥ and finally 5♠ over 5♥.
Maybe partner can bid 7♥ (unlikely though after 1♥).

I think your 4♥ bid when you have ten tricks in hand should get the Ayatollah reward for courageous bidding.

Rainer Herrmann

[gwnn]

This really is too much for 1♥. Open 2♣ and see what's up.

[RunemPard]

3 losers on a normal day...5 on this day...lol!

[Statto]

 gwnn, on 2012-February-01, 05:44, said:

This really is too much for 1♥. Open 2♣ and see what's up.

Don't we get to see more of what's up by opening 1♥?

I'm never stopping short of 4♥ tho, and I'll take my 60-70% for going 2 off

[whereagles]

 rhm, on 2012-February-01, 05:08, said:

I think your 4♥ bid when you have ten tricks in hand should get the Ayatollah reward for courageous bidding.

ahah! well, bidding 6 might see you in heaven, with luscious virgins all around you

[gwnn]

 Statto, on 2012-February-01, 20:42, said:

Don't we get to see more of what's up by opening 1♥?

Maybe, but partner will never know what's up if we never tell him. When I said "see what's up" I just meant that 2♣ is a good start of the auction despite the problems that we probably will face next round. I did not mean to suggest we mastermind.