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Posted 2012-March-13, 17:01



2♣ was announced as stayman, but the agreement was actually that 2♣ was a natural escape.

South made 11 tricks in 3♥. Were NS damaged by the MI?
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Posted 2012-March-13, 17:08

What did S say he'd have done if 2♣ had been correctly described ?

My guess is that NS would have played in a heart part score pretty much however the auction had developed.
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Posted 2012-March-13, 17:13

View PostCyberyeti, on 2012-March-13, 17:08, said:

What did S say he'd have done if 2♣ had been correctly described ?

My guess is that NS would have played in a heart part score pretty much however the auction had developed.


South would have passed 2♣, to give partner the opportunity to double for penalties. North would have bid 2♦ had it been passed round to her. NS aren't sure how they would have bid from there.
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Posted 2012-March-13, 17:18

View PostQuartic, on 2012-March-13, 17:13, said:

North would have bid 2♦ had it been passed round to her.


However, this didn't happen because West forgot his system. What North would have done had West remembered the system is irrelevant.
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Posted 2012-March-13, 19:05

We have a mistaken explanation of 2C, and West bid as if his explanation was correct. East made no attempt to use the UI from the mistaken explanation. The only person whose first-round action is strange is South.

No adjustment, no damage, no nothing. Let's ignore the defense allowing the heart partial to make five :rolleyes:
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Posted 2012-March-14, 02:49

View Postaguahombre, on 2012-March-13, 19:05, said:

Let's ignore the defense allowing the heart partial to make five :rolleyes:

It's harder to ignore the likelihood that NS will often make 10 tricks playing in hearts, indeed I can't see what the defence can do to stop it.

But I can't see NS bidding 4H even if S bids on the first round. N barely has what he has promised with his double, and isn't going to be accepting invitations or encouraging progress - and we have evidence from the auction to support that; S isn't going to bid 4H on his own - and we have evidence from the auction to support that.
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Posted 2012-March-14, 02:51

View Postaguahombre, on 2012-March-13, 19:05, said:

Let's ignore the defense allowing the heart partial to make five :rolleyes:

I'm guessing there was a ♦ lead and continuation and the ♣ loser went on a long ♦. Not entirely unreasonable.

As for the ruling, table result stands. The MI didn't impact on any decision NS made and East didn't take advantage of the UI from the MI.
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Posted 2012-March-15, 06:42

As long as the queen of hearts wasn't covered :)
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Posted 2012-March-15, 08:47

View Postmr1303, on 2012-March-15, 06:42, said:

As long as the queen of hearts wasn't covered :)


This is how the contract made 11 tricks. :P
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