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I don't think you should let your judgement be influenced by what happened on this hand. 4441 shapes are rare, and 4441s with a singleton ace are even rarer.
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Posted 2012-April-18, 03:04
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-April-18, 03:58
Fluffy, on 2012-April-18, 02:54, said:
Unless something odd happens I think the par contract at this point is 3♥ doubled.
Sorry, you are right. Par is actually 2♠ + 1 as three hearts does fail by a trick.
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Posted 2012-April-18, 04:02
paulg, on 2012-April-18, 03:58, said:
Sorry, you are right. Par is actually 2♠ + 1 as three hearts does fail by a trick.
Although I was pretty nervous when your brother was thinking holding xx AQT9xx Q987 J.
Not exactly a classic red vs white preempt.
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Posted 2012-April-18, 07:51
I didn't understand the comment about 3S being impossible to reach. Doesn't partner have an obvious pass of 3S?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2012-April-18, 09:33
han, on 2012-April-18, 07:51, said:
I didn't understand the comment about 3S being impossible to reach. Doesn't partner have an obvious pass of 3S?
I'm not sure it's completely obvious when you hold three aces and a useful king.
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Posted 2012-April-18, 09:42
paulg, on 2012-April-18, 09:33, said:
I'm not sure it's completely obvious when you hold three aces and a useful king.
In 3NT you have no obvious tricks, in 4♠ you probably have too many losers.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2012-April-18, 09:45
I thought that it was clear to pass, but maybe not. I certainly disagree with it being impossible to stop at 3S. It's true that partner has nice honors, but he (she?) also has a singleton spade. I know some Scottish women always bid more than I do, so maybe in practice it was impossible to stop in 3S.
What would you bid?
I don't think 3NT is a good bid with this hand, you have only a single heart stopper so you'll need partner's spades to be solid with your ace, plus an entry to his hand. That's a lot to ask of a NF 3S bid.
In 4S your heart king may not be that useful.
What would you bid?
I don't think 3NT is a good bid with this hand, you have only a single heart stopper so you'll need partner's spades to be solid with your ace, plus an entry to his hand. That's a lot to ask of a NF 3S bid.
In 4S your heart king may not be that useful.
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Posted 2012-April-18, 10:32
han, on 2012-April-18, 09:45, said:
I thought that it was clear to pass, but maybe not. I certainly disagree with it being impossible to stop at 3S. It's true that partner has nice honors, but he (she?) also has a singleton spade. I know some Scottish women always bid more than I do, so maybe in practice it was impossible to stop in 3S.
What would you bid?
I don't think 3NT is a good bid with this hand, you have only a single heart stopper so you'll need partner's spades to be solid with your ace, plus an entry to his hand. That's a lot to ask of a NF 3S bid.
In 4S your heart king may not be that useful.
What would you bid?
I don't think 3NT is a good bid with this hand, you have only a single heart stopper so you'll need partner's spades to be solid with your ace, plus an entry to his hand. That's a lot to ask of a NF 3S bid.
In 4S your heart king may not be that useful.
I agree with the arguments against bidding, but still think partner would have thought for a while before making a decision and I expect he'd have bid 4♠ more often than not. Rightly or wrongly
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Posted 2012-April-18, 13:18
Takeout X. Give partner a chance to convert it to +500.
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Posted 2012-April-20, 04:07
You need to bid something. Your opponents appear to be weak if all they made was a weak bid, and if hearts are where most of their points are then you could easily have a game here, so you don't want to pass. I'd go for 4♦ and see what your partner bids.