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How to show 5-6 pattern in an 2/1 auction? When you are dealt lacking the value to reverse

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Posted 2012-May-20, 17:56

In an 2/1 auction how to open and rebid with these hands? Which one is better? 1or 1?

Hand A
7
109862
AKQ1085
A

Hand B
7
AQJ86
AQ10862
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Posted 2012-May-20, 18:25

I would open 1 and reverse on both of those examples. If the hand was weaker, e.g. x AJxxx AQxxxx x then I would open 1. I might open 1 with really bad hearts, intending to just rebid diamonds and give up on a 5-3 heart fit, e.g. A xxxxx AKxxxx x. But even with a heart suit like 1098xx I would consider opening 1.
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Posted 2012-May-21, 02:45

Hi,

and old question.

#1 I would start with 1H, selling the hand as 55, this even with the Ace of clubs being the Ace of hearts
#2 I would start with 1D, making the reverse

Simple rule - If you dont want to make the reverse, start with the higher ranking suit.

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Posted 2012-May-21, 18:51

View PostP_Marlowe, on 2012-May-21, 02:45, said:

#1 I would start with 1H, selling the hand as 55, this even with the Ace of clubs being the Ace of hearts

Yuk, that's an awful suit to start with 1. The A is not the A and neither has the same value for the bid. And such a powerful hand too.
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Posted 2012-May-22, 08:07

View Postshingkit, on 2012-May-20, 17:56, said:

In an 2/1 auction how to open and rebid with these hands? Which one is better? 1or 1?

Hand A
7
109862
AKQ1085
A

Hand B
7
AQJ86
AQ10862
3


I'd open both hands with 1. But I'll reverse only with hand B. Suit quality matters.

Steven


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Posted 2012-May-22, 08:43

Take a hand like x AJxxx AJxxxx x.

For me, it depends on three things: a) relative suit quality, b) strength of hand and c) how close the suits are together.

If I choose not to reverse, I can treat my six card minor as five and open the major, or, I can ignore my five card major and open and rebid my six card minor.

On my example above, I would open this 1. Change it to x Qxxxx AKJxxx x and I would open it 1 and rebid 2. Add a King and I would reverse. However, if you give me the black suits, then I open 1 in all cases.

Where it gets close is when we have the round ( + ) or pointed ( + ) suits together.
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Posted 2012-May-22, 10:09

Of course, there is also the option to pass a 5-6 ten count. Often you can describe such a hand better by passing and backing in with a two-suited call later than by opening and distorting shape. With the 13s given I will open 1d and reverse.
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Posted 2012-May-22, 10:33

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With the 13s given I will open 1d and reverse.


I am interested in your view on hand in the middle. say 11-12-13hcp and 5M-6m.
I am coming from bridge culture where everybody always open 1M if they have 5 card major but I noticed that most elite players just open longer suit most of the time in good 13+ range.
What do you think about those middle hands ? Say:
x KQxxx AQxxxx x
- AJTxx AQxxxx xx
x AQxxx KQJxxx x
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Posted 2012-May-22, 18:40

I dont think this particularly pertains to 2/1, lots of problems arise when partner answers something much less encouraging than a gf 2/1.....lets say 1NT.
I agree with awm that opening these hands with 9-10 counts is not necessarily a good thing. For intermediate hands my rule of thumb is that if I cant reverse I start with the higher suit and show 5-5+ (not showing one card looks to me a lesser evil than potentially hiding a 5 card major). If I can reverse than I dont need to distort the shape and can open the longer suit, however I dont reverse into poor quality suits.
So imo
Hand A - 1 planning to rebid 2 over partners 1 or 1NT,
Hand B - 1 planning to reverse.


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