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what would you bid here

  1. pass (1 votes [3.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

  2. 1 spade (8 votes [28.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  3. 2 spade ( weak ) (19 votes [67.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 67.86%

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Posted 2012-May-30, 18:48


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Posted 2012-May-30, 20:42

2S. Wrong shape for 3S at this vulnerability.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 00:46

If you held AKQxxx, xxx,xx,xxx that would not be a real question...does the J of ♠ look so good that you would consider opening 1 a quick 8 losers hand unfavorable?
Btw - I would be thinking of 2 or 3, not 1 or 2.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 01:42

1♠, too good for 2♠ by our methods.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 01:49

View PostYu18772, on 2012-May-31, 00:46, said:

does the J of ♠ look so good that you would consider opening 1 a quick 8 losers hand unfavorable?

I see 3 hearts losers together with 2 in each minor. Are you counting a spade loser to go with these? Whether this hand qualifies for 1 or 2 second seat, red is basically a style issue influenced by the system you are playing and simple preference. It probably does not make a huge difference at the end of the day which style a partnership chooses so long as they agree.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 01:57

Clear 2♠. After a 2NT enquiry (of whatever kind) we bid 3NT to show a solid suit. I am surprised some want to open this 1♠...
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Posted 2012-May-31, 10:53

1S. Despite the soundness of my pre-empts at these colours, AKQJxx is too much.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 11:40

I'm old fashioned enough that this qualifies for a r/w 2♠ opener in 2nd seat.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 15:33

at these colors I am promising a good 6 card suit
(max 2 losers) and not much else outside. This hand
meets that definition. There is still a chance this hand
belongs in hearts or nt so preempting beyond 2s seems
unreasonable.


Opening 1s with this hand has little appeal.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 16:14

2 ♠ obviously but if i was forced to do something else i am more close to opening 3♠ than opening 1♠ imo.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 16:18

View PostStatto, on 2012-May-31, 01:57, said:

Clear 2♠. After a 2NT enquiry (of whatever kind) we bid 3NT to show a solid suit. I am surprised some want to open this 1♠...

If you play 2♠ 6-10 then it's a 2♠ opener, if you play it 0-9 it isn't. We happen to open most rule of 19 hands at the 1 level unless there's a good reason not to, and there's certainly no reason not to here.
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Posted 2012-June-03, 03:16

only bid 2♠, becuuse this hand is merely a bad hand with good suit.nothing with others.
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Posted 2012-June-03, 09:45

2♠. Second choiche is pass
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Posted 2012-June-03, 09:50

View PostStatto, on 2012-May-31, 01:57, said:

Clear 2♠. After a 2NT enquiry (of whatever kind) we bid 3NT to show a solid suit. I am surprised some want to open this 1♠...

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Posted 2012-June-03, 15:06

2 ♠. At unfavorable vulnerability and in second seat, a weak 2 bid should be made on good values.

I fully agree with Statto's comments about how the auction may proceed.
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Posted 2012-June-04, 00:17

The problem is that this is a cast iron 6 tricks in no trump as well as spades. Give partner a twelve count or so with a stiff spade and 3nt has excellent play.
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Posted 2012-June-04, 02:56

2♠, 3♠ is close as hog and mrace said, and that might be my option nobody vulnerable.
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Posted 2012-June-04, 05:35

I think that 2S in second seat, vulnerable against not, should fit partner's expectations. This hand does absolutely not fit that description, it is a very different hand from the more typical KQ10xxx xx Kxx xx. I would only preempt with this hand when in third seat, and preferably when white.

Opening 3S (as was mentioned by some posters) at these colors with such a balanced hand makes me sick. I think it is completely off.

Opening 1S seems fine. I have 6 tricks don't I? If partner forces to game I hope I can table this hand as dummy in 3NT.

I'm really surprised to see so many 2S openers. Will they not open 2S with KQ10xxx x Qxx xxx? Or do they open 2S on both, and think it is a good strategy to play wide ranging preempts, vulnerable against not in second seat?
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Posted 2012-June-04, 18:16

View Posthan, on 2012-June-04, 05:35, said:

I'm really surprised to see so many 2S openers. Will they not open 2S with KQ10xxx x Qxx xxx? Or do they open 2S on both, and think it is a good strategy to play wide ranging preempts, vulnerable against not in second seat?

Yes, and, yes, but I don't think these are such wide ranges, and responder has the tools available to distinguish them somewhat if necessary. I don't like opening at the 1 level vulnerable in 2nd seat with no honour card outside my suit. Presumably if ♠J is replaced by ♠x you open 2♠?
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Posted 2012-June-05, 03:44

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Presumably if ♠J is replaced by ♠x you open 2♠?


Yes. This makes a big difference. Opposite a flat 11 with a stiff spade, AKQJxx is odds on for 6 tricks, AKQxxx requires a 3-3 break.
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