[dake50]

............ ....void
................842
................Q8643
................QJT72
8632..........................J74
J6............................KQ953
JT2...........................97
A954..........................K63
................AKQT95
................AT7
................AK5
................8
First East 3rd seat deviates to open 2H.
- - - 1C . 18+ bal or clubs OR 5losers-5controls-5+spades
- 1D- 2S . 0-7 . - .F1
- 2D- 3D . 5+D, 2NT is bust . - .D-fit
- 5D. . reasonable if not best.

[straube]

dake50, on 2013-January-13, 17:52, said:

............ ....void
................842
................Q8643
................QJT72
8632..........................J74
J6............................KQ953
JT2...........................97
A954..........................K63
................AKQT95
................AT7
................AK5
................8
First East 3rd seat deviates to open 2H.
- - - 1C . 18+ bal or clubs OR 5losers-5controls-5+spades
- 1D- 2S . 0-7 . - .F1
- 2D- 3D . 5+D, 2NT is bust . - .D-fit
- 5D. . reasonable if not best.

You didn't include a 1H overcall and your 2D bid is insufficient after opener's 2S bid. Would you amend this? Are you playing a Swedish or Polish club or something else? What is the name of your system?

Btw, I agree with those who post that 3rd seat is likely to take some action before the strong club and I should have picked a deal that was more plausible, but the defender's hands could have been arranged a little different and we still have a useful bidding problem to solve.

[antonylee]

Not really sure about this one but I expect something like
- pass
1♣ (Polish) - 1♦ (0-7(-8 if no 4cM)) (1♥)
X (T/O or strong) - 2♦
2♠ (2♠ on first round would be 18-20ish I think) - 3♣
3♦ - 3♥ (stopper?)
3N... or 4♠?

[Zelandakh]

Easily the hardest of the three so far:

P
... - 1♣ = 15+ nat/bal or 18+ any
1♦ = non-GF (yes, I really should get around to changing this!)
(1♥)
... - 1♠ = unbal GF or 18+ 3-suited
2♦ = 3-5
... - 2♠ = nat
3♣ = nat
... - 3NT = nat

The auction is not giving me warm fuzzy thoughts but it is difficult to find good alternatives for either hand.

[straube]

Zelandakh, on 2013-January-14, 03:27, said:

Easily the hardest of the three so far:

P
... - 1♣ = 15+ nat/bal or 18+ any
1♦ = non-GF (yes, I really should get around to changing this!)
(1♥)
... - 1♠ = unbal GF or 18+ 3-suited
2♦ = 3-5
... - 2♠ = nat
3♣ = nat
... - 3NT = nat

The auction is not giving me warm fuzzy thoughts but it is difficult to find good alternatives for either hand.

What's your 2D bid? 3-5 hcps? diamonds? Are your 2S and 3C bids forcing?

[sieong]

straube, on 2013-January-13, 14:24, said:

Interesting. So would any relay break by opener show shortness? For example, would 3H show short hearts? I think I'll arbitrarily use the contract suggested by whomever of you posts first unless I see a revision by the first poster. Hope that sounds ok.

Early relay breaks for us show shortness in some suit, the order determined by length in responder's suits, with ties broken in favor of earlier shown suits. The relay breaks are allowed up to +2. For the hands in question, 3♣ will show ♣ shortness, 3♦ will show ♦ shortness, and 3♥ does not exist.

[straube]

sieong, on 2013-January-14, 23:37, said:

Early relay breaks for us show shortness in some suit, the order determined by length in responder's suits, with ties broken in favor of earlier shown suits. The relay breaks are allowed up to +2. For the hands in question, 3♣ will show ♣ shortness, 3♦ will show ♦ shortness, and 3♥ does not exist.

Excellent. We'll have to incorporate that.

[Zelandakh]

straube, on 2013-January-14, 10:57, said:

What's your 2D bid? 3-5 hcps? diamonds? Are your 2S and 3C bids forcing?

2♦ is 3-5hcps with upgrading/downgrading allowed. That is 3 jacks or a queen and a jack would be 0-2. You can call it 2-3 QPs if you like and not be far off. 2♠ is game-forcing. The auction is functionally identical to 2♣ - 2♦; 2♠ - 3♣; 3NT in Standard, except that Responder's strength is slightly better specified.

[Siegmund]

1C-P-1D-(1H)
2S(19-22ish)-swish is a distinct possibility for me, if North is pessimistic. A bit embarrassing.

If North finds another bid, 3D-3NT might get passed, or might wind up in 5D.

Moot because I expect the vast majority of Easts to open 2H.

[nige1]

straube, on 2013-January-13, 02:17, said:

#03. You are South and fourth seat. Unfavorable. RHO sticks in a 1H bid if available

Jasmine ♣
North ♠- ♥ 842 ♦ Q8643 ♣ QJT72: __ 2♥ 3♠ 4♥
South ♠ AKQT95 ♥ AT7 ♦ AK5 ♣ 8: 1♣ 2N 4♦ 5♦

• 1♣ = Art, 16+.
• 2♥ = Art, Weak 2-suiter, Not ♥.
• 2N = Art, relay.
• 3♠ = Not ♠
• 4♦ = Nat key-ask.
• 4♥ = 0/3

Marks, IMO: 3N = 10. 5♦ = 7. 4♠ = 5. Partscores = 4. 6♦ = 3.

[Mbodell]

I'm pretty sure we'd bid 2nt in 2nd seat with this hand.

[Mbodell]

Mbodell, on 2013-January-23, 02:24, said:

I'm pretty sure we'd bid 2nt in 2nd seat with this hand.

And if I do that, my partner shoots out 6♦ with the 4th seat hand, which looks to me like it might be a lucky make (with the long trumps with the long spades) on the likely trump lead. I'll bid it out on P-P-P-1♣ to see what happens if 2nd seat is a bit more disciplined.

[mycroft]

What MBodell said. I'd like to be better for my 5-8 5-5 minors unfavourable, but these things happen when you preempt, and I have a spade void (which means I want to preempt more).

p-1♣;
1♦-(1♥)-1♠;
2♦-3♦
3♥-3NT?

Thanks to opponent for warning us there might be a problem.

[Mbodell]

Ok, if I take P-P-P-1♣ as a given we get 4♠S on:

P-1♣ : <10 unbal or <12 bal; art, forcing, 16+ unbal OR 18+ bal
1♦-(1♥)-4♠ : 0-7 hcp, or occasionally more if <2 controls; to play

I prefer the 2nt-6♦ auction we'd actually have at the table with our tosr based system.

[Free]

Mbodell, on 2013-January-24, 23:19, said:

I prefer the 2nt-6♦ auction we'd actually have at the table with our tosr based system.

I wouldn't open 2NT weak with both minors with this garbage unfavorable in 2nd seat, especially because opps have easy penalty doubles. If it was 3♣ showing both minors, I might hesitate because it's NF

[JLOGIC]

Mbodell, on 2013-January-24, 23:19, said:

Ok, if I take P-P-P-1♣ as a given we get 4♠S on:

P-1♣ : <10 unbal or <12 bal; art, forcing, 16+ unbal OR 18+ bal
1♦-(1♥)-4♠ : 0-7 hcp, or occasionally more if <2 controls; to play

I prefer the 2nt-6♦ auction we'd actually have at the table with our tosr based system.

I find it strange that you would bid 4S without even trying to get to 3N. You have 9 tricks pretty often in 3N (ok not opposite a spade void lol), if partner cannot produce an offensive trick thats where we want to be, seems like we should be angling to get there pretty hard.

[Mbodell]

JLOGIC, on 2013-January-25, 12:04, said:

I find it strange that you would bid 4S without even trying to get to 3N. You have 9 tricks pretty often in 3N (ok not opposite a spade void lol), if partner cannot produce an offensive trick thats where we want to be, seems like we should be angling to get there pretty hard.

Yeah, that makes sense. It was my partner who bid the 4♠ (seeing only the S hand, obv), but maybe he was worried about clubs or going slower. He can bid 1♠ as a forcing natural call, but if I bid 2♦ he then enters an area where what is forcing and not is unclear (other than 2♥). So 4♠ had some added practical benefit of avoiding opponents bidding more and/or us ending up in a bidding misunderstanding.

[qplus10]

qplus10 again.

p p p 1♣
p 1♦ 1♥ 3♠ (setting spades and a gameforce) 1♦ is a negative.

dbl was second favorite after 3♠ by 0.2 imps.

p 3nt p 4♥
p 4♠ it rated 4♥ as 0.5 imps better than pass.

[Zelandakh]

qplus10, on 2013-January-28, 12:36, said:

p 3nt p 4♥

What is the 4♥ bid here - it looks strange.

[qplus10]

Zelandakh, on 2013-January-29, 02:45, said:

What is the 4♥ bid here - it looks strange.

It wasn't offering much of an explanation other than it was a cue. 3♠ had already set trumps.