[jillybean]

Ignore the title

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What's your bid? MP NV vs. V

This is a hand from a Sectional here this weekend. My partner and I just won the 0-750 session with a 62.98% game
but as always, there's a few hands where we could have done better.

[Hanoi5]

Congrats on the win.

I'd double with that. 3♣ looks interesting but I'm probably on lead, so it's not that neccessary.

[pigpenz]

Double i have support for other two suits

[ArtK78]

Double seems clear.

[aguahombre]

Pass

[steve2005]

Double. sure would prefer a ♦ honor and less in ♣ but life isnt perfect. you have a wonderful hand with 3+ support for both minors, compete.
If partner leaves X in you will not be unhappy

[lycier]

I'd pass ,waiting for the right time.

[Siegmund]

One more 3AM doubler here.

[jillybean]

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-3, not our best result.

Had the auction gone 1♠ (P) 1N* (2♥) P (P) X is double penalty?

[steve2005]

jillybean, on 2013-January-20, 09:35, said:

Had the auction gone 1♠ (P) 1N* (2♥) P (P) X is double penalty?

Double = takeout i think
responders hand to weak for 1N.
your too strong to pass 2♥ for same reasons your too strong not to balance on previous auction but even more so as partner has shown some vales(which they don't have)
I'd double 2♥ hopefully for takeout, i presume this is a forcing NT due to *

[Free]

jillybean, on 2013-January-20, 09:35, said:

Had the auction gone 1♠ (P) 1N* (2♥) P (P) X is double penalty?

That Dbl would be takeout for me.

Btw, the original problem is an easy Dbl imo.

[the hog]

Double is fine.

[lycier]

Double is fine? I think it is not a rationalization proposal with no cure-no pay,even no tommorrow !
The partner have passed after you open 1s. No signs of any party indicate they can be able to find the optimal contract, including the good fit in any suit.With a misfit bid cautiously; with a good fit be bold. Double is not a good action,it is very easier to lead us to chasing a poor contract with a misfit, so I have to say that pass is always an option.

[Codo]

Double is fine, if the hand is not fitting, we will slaughter 2 ♥ and if it is fitting, we will find the fit too. 3 ♣ is too unilateral, pass shows a complete other hand...

[kenberg]

I have now seen the hands but I am certain I also would have doubled.
Also, with the North hand, I would have passed just as he did, I would not have bid 1NT.

May I ask how folks think the auction would have gone if all four players were clones of themselves? i have come to agree that 1♠-Pass-Pass-1NT should be a wide ranging bid because doubling and then bidding 2NT gets you too high. But this East hand is too much for me, even with my broad ranging views. As to the actual 2♥, if I held the East hand and 1♠ were opened on my right, I would bid 2♥. But as a balncing action this again seems like too weak an action. Some say a balancing overcall is necessarily quite weak. I don't agree with that, but this East hand is too much for 2♥ in the pass out seat. So, with my four clones at the table, I suspect it starts something like:

1♠-pass-pass-X
2♣-pass-?-?

The 2♣ bid in this auction seems far more natural to me than the 3♣ in the given auction.

As to the question marks, I just am not sure. I generally follow the advice of not rescuing a partner who has not been doubled, but when I have two cards in my partner's second suit and a six card suit of my own, and I have passed first round so there is no ambiguity about my strength, it sure would be tempting to call 2♥. And then what happens? Alternatively, if North passes at his second turn, what should East do? I expect I would bid 2♥ even though 2♣X would be a good EW score, or I expect it would.

I realize I am addressing issues not in the OP. But it seems that the answer to the original question about South's second call has been given as X by a large majority, and I do think the hand presents interesting questions about balancing and subsequent actions.

[the_clown]

I would double and also I wouldnt have passed 1♠.

[quiddity]

Double seems right at this vul. It is not without risk, but the potential reward of pushing them up a level and setting them is worth it. 3C is not good - partner can have lots of shapes with 2-3 spades and 2-3 clubs.
I think North's initial pass was pretty bad; the hand is worth maybe 5 tricks in a heart contract and maybe zero in spades or on defense. The pass could lead to a missed game if South has a good hand, or even a mediocre hand with a heart fit.

[the hog]

lycier, on 2013-January-21, 02:15, said:

Double is fine? I think it is not a rationalization proposal with no cure-no pay,even no tommorrow !
The partner have passed after you open 1s. No signs of any party indicate they can be able to find the optimal contract, including the good fit in any suit.With a misfit bid cautiously; with a good fit be bold. Double is not a good action,it is very easier to lead us to chasing a poor contract with a misfit, so I have to say that pass is always an option.

Pass is not an option! Who says you have a misfit to start with? Who says partner does not have a penalty x?

[lycier]

the hog, on 2013-January-22, 23:54, said:

Pass is not an option! Who says you have a misfit to start with? Who says partner does not have a penalty x?

IMO,Pass is an option! Who can be able to confirm you have a fit perfectly? Who can able to win after a double ?

I disagree agressive double bid,The bridge is a probability of the game,and we have observed that too many contract at 2 of level can be made after double in the world match.
The advantage of pass is to avoid chasing a poor contract .Don't double a partscore .

[lycier]

the hog, on 2013-January-22, 23:54, said:

Pass is not an option! Who says you have a misfit to start with? Who says partner does not have a penalty x?

For example: Supposing partner's hand without 6 card H,but with 5 card ratty D and 4 card yarborough H( partner have passed out),your final contract is 3D,because all of your honores hidden in the other three side suites, who can be able to say 3D is a good playable contract according to the Law of total tricks? Who can say playing 3D can be easy to get 9 tricks?but it must be a very hard work.
The advantage of pass is to avoid chasing a poor contract .The defense at ease is also a good idea.Pass is always an option.

Best Regards.