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Red vs White, ximps:
♠Ax
♥A7xxx
♦Kxx
♣KJx
(2♠*)-X-(4♠)-?
*Spades and a minor (at least 5-4+), 6-10
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Posted 2013-June-22, 21:50
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2013-June-22, 23:49
Hanoi5, on 2013-June-22, 21:50, said:
Red vs White, ximps:
♠Ax
♥A7xxx
♦Kxx
♣KJx
(2♠*)-X-(4♠)-?
*Spades and a minor (at least 5-4+), 6-10
♠Ax
♥A7xxx
♦Kxx
♣KJx
(2♠*)-X-(4♠)-?
*Spades and a minor (at least 5-4+), 6-10
I don't think I can force to slam, not least because Ax spades is nowhere near as good a slam holding as Axx, where partner rates to be stiff (or void). But I am not prepared to defend either.
I am going to hope to get lucky. I am going to bid 4N, ostensibly two places to play, and I am going to correct his minor to hearts. If I am in luck, he will bid 5♣, and now I hope he works out that my 5♥ call is a slam try....it must (I think) be a one-suiter, else I'd bid 5♦ or pass 5♣, and yet I didn't bid 5♥.
I don't have a lot of confidence....for one thing there is a reasonable chance that he'll bid diamonds with 2=4=4=3 (but on most such I wouldn't want to be in slam anyway), but maybe he is 1=4=4=4, and can work it out and raise.
Might miss grand on a bad day, but they preempt for a reason, don't they?
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Posted 2013-June-23, 17:44
I would DBL
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Posted 2013-June-23, 18:37
Hanoi5, on 2013-June-22, 21:50, said:
Red vs White, ximps: ♠ A x ♥ A 7 x x x ♦ K x x ♣ K J x
(2♠*)-X-(4♠)-?
*Spades and a minor (at least 5-4+), 6-10
(2♠*)-X-(4♠)-?
*Spades and a minor (at least 5-4+), 6-10
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Posted 2013-June-24, 04:40
4 NT and 5 ♥... or double 5 ♠
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Posted 2013-June-24, 04:46
5♥ is already a big bid. I don't make that bid at these colours expecting to go down. Partner is allowed to raise here.
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Posted 2013-June-26, 04:15
mikeh, on 2013-June-22, 23:49, said:
I am going to hope to get lucky. I am going to bid 4N, ostensibly two places to play, and I am going to correct his minor to hearts.
Do you have something against the inversion on this auction Mike? It seems like this is another one where it is clearer if a direct 5♥ is better than 4NT followed by 5♥.
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Posted 2013-June-26, 08:43
6♥ unless I play some gadget with 4NT that allows me to show an invitational hand to slam.
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Posted 2013-June-26, 10:25
Zelandakh, on 2013-June-26, 04:15, said:
Do you have something against the inversion on this auction Mike? It seems like this is another one where it is clearer if a direct 5♥ is better than 4NT followed by 5♥.
I think you may well be correct, but I don't have any agreements at all about this. I decided to wing it via 4N, hoping partner would work it out. Since I have no agreements, all my partners would view 5♥ as an attempt to play 5♥
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Posted 2013-June-26, 11:12
I agree that the direct 5H should be stronger, but I also don't play that with anybody. I would go through the stronger route, and I would rather bid 6H than go through the weaker. I think that Cascade is dreaming a dream.
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Posted 2013-June-26, 11:12
I would bid 5H as my principle concern in these situations is to give partner latitude to act without punishment. I would like to think that partner might hold something like xx, KQxx, Axx, Axxx - so if I try for slam at this point I want a hand that is virtually cold if partner holds a perfect minimum for his action.]
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Posted 2013-June-26, 13:00
Slower (via 4nt) is stronger in my partnership. 5♥ could be a maybe dive couldn't it? On these colors 6 card hearts and a stiff spade doesn't need much more to bid, say Kxxx in a minor.
Do you really show this hand with 4nt first?
Do you really show this hand with 4nt first?
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Posted 2013-June-26, 14:03
This has always been an interesting topic especially at these
colors. you hold xxx xxxxxxx Ax x after 2s x 4s would you not want
to bid 5h even at unfavorable??? There is a strong expectation
that it makes but this is anything but a strong hand. IMO it is
better to save a 5h for a weak freak than a strong freak since it
would seem to be much more common.
This problem i agree with the 4n 5h approach and a K stronger I would
go with 5s (with first round control of spades or 5n w/o first round control
of spades).
colors. you hold xxx xxxxxxx Ax x after 2s x 4s would you not want
to bid 5h even at unfavorable??? There is a strong expectation
that it makes but this is anything but a strong hand. IMO it is
better to save a 5h for a weak freak than a strong freak since it
would seem to be much more common.
This problem i agree with the 4n 5h approach and a K stronger I would
go with 5s (with first round control of spades or 5n w/o first round control
of spades).
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Posted 2013-June-27, 06:16
ggwhiz, on 2013-June-26, 13:00, said:
Do you really show this hand with 4nt first?
Why not? What do you see as the disadvantages of a direct 5♥ being stronger than 4NT followed by 5♥? If you play this inversion, then you probably already have it in most auctions where the opps jam to 4♠. It seems only consistent to use it in this auction too.
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Posted 2013-June-30, 11:56
ggwhiz, on 2013-June-26, 13:00, said:
Slower (via 4nt) is stronger in my partnership. 5♥ could be a maybe dive couldn't it? On these colors 6 card hearts and a stiff spade doesn't need much more to bid, say Kxxx in a minor.
Do you really show this hand with 4nt first?
Do you really show this hand with 4nt first?
Slow = strong simply does not work, since if partner chooses 5♦ over 4NT, your correction to 5♥ is consistent with hearts and clubs weak. Playing my way, a corrrection to 5♥ is ambiguous (hearts weak or clubs and hearts), but that cannot cost. In another 15 years I expect to achieve a consensus.
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