6/24/13 hands - I
#1
Posted 2013-June-24, 21:07
AJ xx AKQJxxx xx
(1♥) - 3♥ - (pass) - 3♠
(pass) - ?
Do you agree with 3♥?
What is 3♠?
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#2
Posted 2013-June-24, 21:31
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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#3
Posted 2013-June-25, 01:12
Hanoi5, on 2013-June-24, 21:31, said:
4♠. Partner doesn't have the stopper but is offering spades as a possibility. I do like'em.
For example: KQxxxx xx xx KQx. Introducing a worse spade than that into this kind of auction would be unlikely and we could still survive even so. If his side suits are worse maybe 4♦ also doesn't make.
#4
Posted 2013-June-25, 02:09
nigel_k, on 2013-June-25, 01:12, said:
For example: KQxxxx xx xx KQx. Introducing a worse spade than that into this kind of auction would be unlikely and we could still survive even so. If his side suits are worse maybe 4♦ also doesn't make.
There are several issues here:
1) Why should 3♥ be confined to solid minors? With a solid major and a heart stopper in partner's hand there may well be as many tricks in notrumps than in the major and this number may be nine.
2) What is partner's default bid lacking a heart stopper without a good suit? What the cheapest suit bid (3♠) shows seems to me a matter of agreement. I am not sure how to interpret it,
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#5
Posted 2013-June-25, 09:14
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#6
Posted 2013-June-25, 09:14
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#7
Posted 2013-June-25, 17:27
I would bid 4♦.
#8
Posted 2013-June-25, 17:43
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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#9
Posted 2013-June-25, 17:56
#10
Posted 2013-June-25, 17:59
Phil, on 2013-June-24, 21:07, said:
What is 3♠?
Phil, on 2013-June-25, 09:14, said:
Then why are you asking the question ? Am i missing something ?
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#11
Posted 2013-June-25, 20:35
Phil, on 2013-June-24, 21:07, said:
(1♥) - 3♥ - (pass) - 3♠
(pass) - ?
Do you agree with 3♥?
What is 3♠?
- Agree with 3♥ asking for a ♥ stopper in the first instance, with interest in 3N or better things (usually a strong hand with a near solid suit).
- Partner's 3♠ = Negative no ♥ stop and a poor hand. (3N would have shown a ♥ stop. Other bids deny a ♥ stop but show values).
- Now 4♦ = Natural, nothing to spare.
#12
Posted 2013-June-25, 22:16
MrAce, on 2013-June-25, 17:59, said:
Because Rainer implied that 3♥ could contain any solid suit and not just minors. If thats the case, 3♠ might just mean pass/correct.
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#13
Posted 2013-June-26, 02:57
Phil, on 2013-June-25, 22:16, said:
Yea i know but you said that w/o agreement it should be solid minor, if so ( you said it ) then 3♠ can be only natural, no ? You asked what 3♠ means, and all i am saying is what it means depends on strictly what 3♥ was.
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#14
Posted 2013-June-26, 03:03
MrAce, on 2013-June-26, 02:57, said:
No, while that is the default meaning, it is also logical to bid this with half a stopper should you have the agreement to do so. Over 3♠ I will bid 4♦; there is nothing stopping partner from repeating spades now if they feel so inclined.
#15
Posted 2013-June-26, 03:13
Zelandakh, on 2013-June-26, 03:03, said:
Perhaps.
In fact it may be a better idea since 3♥ bidder is much more interested in how good/bad we will do in 3NT, rather than our 5-6 card spades. Gotcha !
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"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#16
Posted 2013-June-26, 03:49
#17
Posted 2013-June-28, 12:00
I doubt 3♠ here means anything but spades. Unfortunately we do not have a good landing place since partner has T9xxxx of spades and not much more. He did have ♥Qxx, but RHO is definitely good enough to lead a club from her AKxx instead of leading a low heart from AKxxx.
The main question to me assuming 3♠ is natural, should it be forcing? I thought it was and I raised to 4♠. RHO did hammer this and it was -500.
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#18
Posted 2013-June-29, 10:39
if not than I think 3S should be NF because advancer can bid 4H as COG instead (not really important to have 4H has splinter here. Im also wondering if you play 4m who do you prefer to play the hand ? I think i prefer to disclose avdancer rather than overcaller but im not sure (easier for defense to switch when you see the stiff on dummy)
But with no discussion I would assume that 3S is NF and 4H is COG.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
#19
Posted 2013-June-30, 10:36
Partner's 3♠ shows, of all things, spades and a reasonable hand, so it's time to wheel out the dreaded pick a game cue bid. 4♥ by partner would have shown a slam try and a control - it's not pick a game, since he by-passed 3♠.
#20
Posted 2013-June-30, 11:38
PhilKing, on 2013-June-30, 10:36, said:
Partner's 3♠ shows, of all things, spades and a reasonable hand, so it's time to wheel out the dreaded pick a game cue bid. 4♥ by partner would have shown a slam try and a control - it's not pick a game, since he by-passed 3♠.
If pd is showing spades and a reasonable hand, why are we still asking him to choose ? Don't we have a decent support ? With nothing else in other suits ? And pd already knows we have a solid minor.
Even if we are confident that 4♥ will be recieved by pd as COG, it would be more suitable with hands like J xx AKQJxxx Axx or xx xx AKQJxxx Ax imo. If he is bidding 3♠ with only 5, is it too much to expect him to hold KQxxx or even KQTxx ?
Perhaps i am thinking way too simple but if 3♠ showing spades and a reasonable hand, i am bidding 4♠.
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"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."