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Poll: dreadful 20 (22 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. double (3 votes [13.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.64%

  3. 2 spades (5 votes [22.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.73%

  4. 2 NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 3 spades (14 votes [63.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.64%

  6. 3 NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. 4 spades (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2013-June-30, 04:40

KJxx
QJ
AKQ
KJ108

MPs

(1)-double-(pass)-1
(2)-??


The rest of the hand is not extremely exciting I think but some guessing can be fun, you can test it on my page as always:

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Posted 2013-June-30, 05:00

I bid 3, raised to 4 by partner.
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Posted 2013-June-30, 05:14

Thanks Csaba, fixed it. Please, hide the card location.

BTW I think you tried to send me a message through the page but I got a blank one, anything wrong there?
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Posted 2013-June-30, 05:16

I also bid 3 raised to 4 but only made 10 tricks. On a side note is West not a bit negative passing with 4 hearts?
"definitely that's what I like to play when I'm playing standard - I want to be able to bid diamonds because bidding good suits is important in bridge" - Meckstroth's opinion on weak 2 diamond
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Posted 2013-June-30, 05:26

yeah should perhaps alert that its a hand form the club, I plan on putting some general names to opponents on the future.
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Posted 2013-June-30, 06:29

View PostFluffy, on 2013-June-30, 05:14, said:

Thanks Csaba, fixed it. Please, hide the card location.

BTW I think you tried to send me a message through the page but I got a blank one, anything wrong there?

I didn't try to send you a message.
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Posted 2013-June-30, 06:38

I bid 2 and ended up in 4 anyway, and made 11 tricks! Hurrah.
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Posted 2013-June-30, 06:54

View Postgwnn, on 2013-June-30, 05:00, said:

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A good thing too, if you're going to play it like that :)
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Posted 2013-June-30, 07:10

I think you should allow 3 as a bid/poll choice.

Made 11 :)
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Posted 2013-June-30, 08:12

Yes, I realized that later, although 3 supposedly is a very big hand with only 3 spades.
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Posted 2013-June-30, 08:19

I just though of putting opponent's bidding after their name, in the player's box (East/West) when you become dummy and switch position to declare. Some people complained about missing the POV when switching LHO with RHO, perhaps it would help, what do yo think?

It would be something like

| West: 1-2-P | ------------ | East: P-P-P |
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Posted 2013-June-30, 09:56

The bad thing is QJ seems useless. The good thing is any honor card pd has are useful.
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Posted 2013-June-30, 10:08

I like double. Partner bids 2 with any 0-4(bad 5). Anything else is game forcing. And he can pass or bid 2 with the dreaded 3433 depending on his texture.

I'm passing 2, of course.
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Posted 2013-June-30, 10:15

View PostPhilKing, on 2013-June-30, 10:08, said:

I like double. Partner bids 2 with any 0-4(bad 5). Anything else is game forcing. And he can pass or bid 2 with the dreaded 3433 depending on his texture.

I'm passing 2, of course.


In my partenrships, I'd put 3 at invitational with somewhere around 17 points to a bad 20. 3 in my opinion would be a game force, not 3.
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Posted 2013-June-30, 10:31

View Postcarnivales, on 2013-June-30, 10:15, said:

In my partenrships, I'd put 3 at invitational with somewhere around 17 points to a bad 20. 3 in my opinion would be a game force, not 3.


I think you may not have got my meaning - over my second double, anything other than 2 shows a game force.
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Posted 2013-July-01, 02:14

View Postgnasher, on 2013-June-30, 06:54, said:

A good thing too, if you're going to play it like that :)

Fluffy needs people inadvertently playing randomly to find obscure bugs. (I'm always under the impression that if I have 9 trumps, I can never run out :( )
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Posted 2013-July-01, 20:41

View Postgwnn, on 2013-July-01, 02:14, said:

Fluffy needs people inadvertently playing randomly to find obscure bugs. (I'm always under the impression that if I have 9 trumps, I can never run out :( )


I would bid 3 forcing suggests 3nt as an option if Pards has a stopper, its used when you have long strong minor, or a half stopped heart suit with a reason to want 3nt instead of 4.

As he has a fifth he bids 3 which is stronger than 4 but not strong enough to cue (given he didn't jump to 2s his hand is limited already)

ps made 11 but not gwmn's way!
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Posted 2013-July-05, 15:44

I'd bid 3 . Since 2 would be invitational, 3 to me says to partner "bid 4 if you have any reasonable excuse to do so." With both black suit KJs, it seems like partner will need a little something for 4 to make. So partner will have a chance to pass with a truly terrible hand.
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