[manudude03]

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MPs scoring, w/w, do you agree with the bidding so far? What would you do now (in a normal system)?
At the table, partner decided that if he doubled 2S, it would be responsive, what do you do in this situation? (other than regret playing it? or something along those lines)

[the_clown]

manudude03, on 2013-July-01, 16:39, said:

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MPs scoring, w/w, do you agree with the bidding so far? What would you do now (in a normal system)?
At the table, partner decided that if he doubled 2S, it would be responsive, what do you do in this situation? (other than regret playing it? or something along those lines)

I wouldn't double in a million years, the hand is just terrible. If it goes 2♠-p-p I would reopen.

For me X of 2♠ would be penalty, 2N should show minors competitive.

[nige1]

manudude03, on 2013-July-01, 16:39, said:

MPs scoring, w/w, do you agree with the bidding so far? What would you do now (in a normal system)?
At the table, partner decided that if he doubled 2S, it would be responsive, what do you do in this situation? (other than regret playing it? or something along those lines)

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IMO

• After 1N, Double (Takeout of ♠) = 10, Pass = 5. As a passed hand, you have enough to pre-balance.
• Now (after 2♠), Pass = 10, 3♣ = 3, Double = 2.
• If partner can't double 2♠ for penalties, Pass = 10, Double = 8, 3♣ = 2. You should stay fixed and pass but later, you might suggest changing your methods

[the hog]

The x is appalling. Your hand consists of Q and J. x is really worth a zero and I know of no good player who would make such a bid.
After 2S, you might try x at MPs only. Playing this at IMPs is not good policy.

[ggwhiz]

Double? Do you play for money?

[Free]

Dbl is a poor call because I have 0 defense, but I'd probably do it anyway because of the good intermediates and almost perfect distribution. Now, when the auction is at 2♠, I think it's a 100% clear pass. You've told your hand and that's it.

Btw I think Dbl by partner should be for penalties, since he can bid 2NT for takeout.

[PhilKing]

I would pass throughout. Prebalancing in this auction rarely works that well. A second double would be particularly insane.

[Cyberyeti]

I would pass and then X, but we need more to overcall 2 of a suit over 1♠ than most people.

[quiddity]

Passing throughout at this vul seems terrible to me, even at imps.

[mikeh]

I understand the urge to double 1N, and maybe it is winning mp tactics. My fear is that I am going to catch partner with nowhere to go. I'm also, tho somewhat less, concerned that he might take a piece of 2♠ should this, entirely foreseeable, auction occur.

To me, double by him would have been penalty: with takeout with 2 places to play, he bids 2N to grope towards the best spot. Note that he won't have all 3 side suits....there are only so many spades around and he holds some of them.

I'd rather preserve the integrity of my double by having something a little more like a near-opening hand.

However, I can see the argument that you are better off doubling 1N than passing and having to double 2♠ when it comes back to you. The counter is that it may not come back to you...they may bid something else or RHO may raise, and now you'll be happy you didn't paint a roadmap, in addition to perhaps endplaying partner into a losing situation. Also imagine redouble by opener and partner has a 5=3=3=2 4 count....RHO was about to bid 3N I don't advise scared bridge but kamikaze isn't my cup of tea either.

Having doubled once, bidding again strikes me as insanity. Even seeing the question posed makes me think that maybe partner hesitated over 2♠ (understandable if he was trying to work out what double would mean).

[gszes]

okok we are a passed hand and p will not expect
the worl;s fair from us. Does this mean we have to
compete with this dreck???? I say no--if the bidding
goes 1n p 2s p p then back in with x since we now
p has at least some reasonable amount of values
and since we originally passed and passed again
over 1n p will realize we are weakish and
distributional so they will not expect much from us.

[nigel_k]

I think the first double is absolutely fine and normal. Obviously you aren't going to do any more though.

[rmnka447]

Pass over 1 NT. You have 0 QTs. Even with a minimum opener, the opponents could be looking at 22,23 points between them if responder has a max standard response. With no top honor cards, you may be looking at a -300 or worse doubled opposite an opponent part score.

Pass over 2 ♠. Even more reason to pass now. First, partner didn't compete over 2 ♠. Partner is also marked with some ♠ holding. It could be anything from ♠ 5432 to ♠ AQ10xx but you just don't know which. The problem is that if you double you are unlikely to have the 2-3 defensive tricks that partner may need to beat 2 ♠ doubled if partner passes it.

This hand looks like one where a lot of pairs will be playing in 2 ♠. So passing is likely to get you an average or near average result. That isn't necessary a bad thing at MPs.