[blackshoe]

 mr1303, on 2013-September-17, 05:05, said:

getting up and leaving

 gnasher, on 2013-September-18, 12:36, said:

That's definitely not an option.

Well, ordinarily, I would agree. Particularly in the ACBL, where the general CoC specifically prohibit the option. But I can see things getting bad enough that I would get up and leave. If I did so at a club game, I would never return to that club. If I did so at a tournament, I would resign from the ACBL and give up bridge. In fact, I would probably do that if the incident occurred at a club. But things would have to get very, very bad before I took the option.

[iviehoff]

There was a player in my club who was so terrible no one wanted to play with her. She was impervious to reason and persisted with her own curious and ineffective methods of bidding. She also claimed to play a complicated method of signalling that even she didn't understand and was unfair to impose on random partners. It was an act of charity to play with her, and I was willing to take my turn to play with her once in a while. Once I had worked them out, I scrupulously advised the opponents of any curiousity in her methods that merited alerting, etc. I suggest you treat playing with this player an act of charity along similar lines.

I strongly believe in never blaming partner for anything, so long as they keep the agreement (which I make clear to them in words spoken out loud) never to blame me for anything. This is much better for partnership morale than recriminations. Of course, once someone says "what went wrong on that hand" or starts blaming me, then I will politely draw attention to what I consider to be unsuccessful actions by partner.

In this case, if the player in question cannot see for himself that his actions were to blame for the bad scores received, then pointing it out to him isn't going to help. Either he realises, or he will never realise.

[Vampyr]

 blackshoe, on 2013-September-18, 16:11, said:

Well, ordinarily, I would agree. Particularly in the ACBL, where the general CoC specifically prohibit the option. But I can see things getting bad enough that I would get up and leave. If I did so at a club game, I would never return to that club. If I did so at a tournament, I would resign from the ACBL and give up bridge. In fact, I would probably do that if the incident occurred at a club. But things would have to get very, very bad before I took the option.

Why would you allow this person to control your life to such a degree?

[blackshoe]

It would take more than a single person.

[helene_t]

 blackshoe, on 2013-September-18, 16:11, said:

But I can see things getting bad enough that I would get up and leave.

Really? I have considered getting up an leaving when the atmosphere has got extremely bad due to players accusing each other of cheating or such. But I wouldn't remotely consider it just because someone is playing badly. Maybe if partner started purposely revoking 6 or 7 times per board. But the OP issue doesn't come close to that.

[billw55]

I don't think blackshoe was talking about bad play - rather, other much more extreme circumstances. Hopefully and probably, none of will witness such an event.

[gwnn]

At the risk of hijacking the thread, the ACBL policy on cellphones is well known, but what is their policy on firearms?

[billw55]

 gwnn, on 2013-September-20, 06:53, said:

At the risk of hijacking the thread, the ACBL policy on cellphones is well known, but what is their policy on firearms?

I doubt there is one. At our club though, there is one police officer who attends regularly. Occasionally, he has his service weapon with him, holstered in plain view. Nobody seems bothered by it, that I can tell.

[blackshoe]

 helene_t, on 2013-September-20, 02:04, said:

Really? I have considered getting up an leaving when the atmosphere has got extremely bad due to players accusing each other of cheating or such. But I wouldn't remotely consider it just because someone is playing badly. Maybe if partner started purposely revoking 6 or 7 times per board. But the OP issue doesn't come close to that.

It was an accusation of cheating that led me to make the comment. In that case, the TD's response was "we're just going to let that slide" (that's verbatim). I didn't leave the game, but I did go for a short walk outside until I cooled off. If that happens again with this TD, I will walk - although I might wait until the end of the session. Depends on how bad the situation is.

 billw55, on 2013-September-20, 06:22, said:

I don't think blackshoe was talking about bad play - rather, other much more extreme circumstances. Hopefully and probably, none of will witness such an event.

Precisely.

 billw55, on 2013-September-20, 07:30, said:

I doubt there is one. At our club though, there is one police officer who attends regularly. Occasionally, he has his service weapon with him, holstered in plain view. Nobody seems bothered by it, that I can tell.

Heh. Personally I think open carry should be the rule rather than the exception.

[Vampyr]

 blackshoe, on 2013-September-20, 07:56, said:

Heh. Personally I think open carry should be the rule rather than the exception.

An armed society is a polite society.

-- Robert A. Heinlein

[mycroft]

 blackshoe, on 2013-September-20, 07:56, said:

Heh. Personally I think open carry should be the rule rather than the exception.

Well, that might be the fastest way to get me to walk. I *expect* it would be before the session starts.

A police officer, in uniform, maybe - although I'd feel very uncomfortable. Sure, it's the safest place for it, but I know how much concentration bridge takes, and either his partner is only getting 98% or this is really scary (maybe, for police officers, partner only gets 98% all the time for similar (but more dramatic) reasons as my partner only gets 98% all the time, especially if someone calls "Director!"). Anyone else? "Director, I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to ask for my money back. I don't feel comfortable enough to play in this game."

Edit: Just realized I might be too Canadian for my own good. if you're comparing open carry to concealed carry, I understand your point.

[blackshoe]

 Vampyr, on 2013-September-20, 10:35, said:

An armed society is a polite society.

-- Robert A. Heinlein

Indeed!

[blackshoe]

 mycroft, on 2013-September-20, 10:44, said:

Well, that might be the fastest way to get me to walk. I *expect* it would be before the session starts.

A police officer, in uniform, maybe - although I'd feel very uncomfortable. Sure, it's the safest place for it, but I know how much concentration bridge takes, and either his partner is only getting 98% or this is really scary (maybe, for police officers, partner only gets 98% all the time for similar (but more dramatic) reasons as my partner only gets 98% all the time, especially if someone calls "Director!"). Anyone else? "Director, I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to ask for my money back. I don't feel comfortable enough to play in this game."

Edit: Just realized I might be too Canadian for my own good. if you're comparing open carry to concealed carry, I understand your point.

That is what I was doing.

[Vampyr]

 blackshoe, on 2013-September-20, 16:21, said:

Indeed!

Hmm...which side are you on if you agree with a sarcastic comment?

[blackshoe]

 Vampyr, on 2013-September-20, 16:36, said:

Hmm...which side are you on if you agree with a sarcastic comment?

Apparently one of us has misunderstood the other. If you were being sarcastic I missed it. If you think I was being sarcastic in agreeing with your quote, you're mistaken.

If you were being sarcastic, then I would suggest that next time you use a different smiley.

[Vampyr]

 blackshoe, on 2013-September-20, 16:48, said:

If you were being sarcastic, then I would suggest that next time you use a different smiley.

Oh, come on. Can such a comment (or quote, to be accurate) really be made in earnest?

[blackshoe]

Not by you, apparently.

[barmar]

This thread is in danger of turning into a Water Cooler thread (especially in light of recent events in DC and Chicago). Let's get back to discussing bridge, or I'll shut it down.