[jeffford76]

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What's your call?

[mike777]

5c

[Lurpoa]

 jeffford76, on 2013-November-17, 12:05, said:

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What's your call?

3♠ if you agreed on fit jumps...

[PhilKing]

4♠ - fit jump.

[jeffford76]

In your methods 3♠ is a fit jump and 4♠ is natural to play.

If you bid 3♠...

Spoiler

This is the auction:
(P) P (1♥) 2♣;
(2♦) 3♠ (4♣) 4♠;
(5♥) ?

And you're up again.

[nige1]

 jeffford76, on 2013-November-17, 12:05, said:

What's your call?

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IMO Agree with Lurpoa ...

• After 2♦, 3♠ (if a Fit-jump) = 10, 4♥ (If a Splinter) = 9, 5♣ = 8, 4♠ = 7, 2♠ (Nat forcing) = 6, 2♥/3♦ = 5.
• After 3♠ (4♣) 4♠ (5♥) ??, Pass = 10, 5♠ = 9, Double = 5..

Duh: hadn't noticed you are a passed hand. Now I agree with PhilKing that a 4♠ fit-jump is best.

This post has been edited by nige1: 2013-November-20, 05:11

[akhare]

Seems tailor made for a 3♠ FSJ if you play them.

[PhilKing]

 jeffford76, on 2013-November-18, 10:51, said:

In your methods 3♠ is a fit jump and 4♠ is natural to play.

If you bid 3♠...

Spoiler

This is the auction:
(P) P (1♥) 2♣;
(2♦) 3♠ (4♣) 4♠;
(5♥) ?

And you're up again.

I don't see how 4♠ can logically be to play as a passed hand.

[JLOGIC]

 jeffford76, on 2013-November-18, 10:51, said:

In your methods 3♠ is a fit jump and 4♠ is natural to play.

If you bid 3♠...

Spoiler

This is the auction:
(P) P (1♥) 2♣;
(2♦) 3♠ (4♣) 4♠;
(5♥) ?

And you're up again.

I agree with Philking, the agreements make no sense. You now feel like you have a problem since you have a little extra offense for 3S since you have a 4S bid to begin with then you could happily pass having shown your hand.

Anyways, I still pass, I have an ace and it's not that unlikely we can cash 2 spades even, from there we need a trick from partner's 2C overcall. It's not good to unilaterally save after you have mostly shown your hand and have little idea what partner has (we know he has a 2C overcall at favorable, and a spade fit...that's about it). Yes I have one extra club than I might but that's not enough to induce me to bid in front of partner and maybe phantom.

Partner also knows we are w/r and if he can't beat it opposite the ace of spades he might well bid himself. It's not like he will expect us to have 2 tricks.

[jeffford76]

This makes sense about 4♠, and maybe Chris would have taken it for a fit jump. We had discussed that jumps into game in a major were to play, but had not specifically discussed whether that would be different by a passed hand.

[PhilKing]

I looked through some of the hands including this one - I assume East was, how do I put this? Er, not a top player. over 4♠ I expect pard would just punt slam, so East's help would not have been required. West seemed like a good player on a bad day, and you did a good job of putting him under pressure on a few boards.

[mike777]

I don't play fit jumps so I don't really know them. Just based on forum comments over the years there seems to be wide disagreement on what bids are fit jumps and how much or little do they promise. This thread points out there is still disagreement on how people play them or even how to respond to them.

I note on page 284 in the latest Encyclopedia of Bridge it states:

1) it shows 9-11 hcp.
2) at least nine cards in the suits(54+).
3) concentrated values in those suits.

54...AOJ87...KT76...62

[JLOGIC]

You are thinking too concretely. Jumping to 4S as a passed hand says "I have a 5C bid and btw I've got some spades so we may belong in spades." How many points does a jump to 5C show? How many clubs? Of course there is no definitive answer to that.

[jeffford76]

This was the table auction:

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Partner had the fitting spade honor, AQ-6th of clubs with the king stiff onside, and a diamond void, so it rolled with an overtrick. Opponents are cold for four of a red suit as spades were 2-2.

[CSGibson]

I was seriously considering bidding 6♠ over 5♠...and I would have taken the push if necessary since I would have no idea who can make what.

[CSGibson]

 PhilKing, on 2013-November-19, 03:26, said:

I looked through some of the hands including this one - I assume East was, how do I put this? Er, not a top player. over 4♠ I expect pard would just punt slam, so East's help would not have been required. West seemed like a good player on a bad day, and you did a good job of putting him under pressure on a few boards.

East was an American player with a star by his name, so he's won something. I don't know much about him other than that.