[zheddh]

had a disagreement with p on this auction.

1N - (2C) - 2D - (3H) - 3S

1N 15-17
2C clubs and higher
2D transfer
3H club support

What does 3S mean for you in this auction?

Thanks.

[PhantomSac]

Does not exist

[hihihiji]

I think it should be a cuebid, as the opener is not sure about the strength of his partner, the contract may be stopped at ♥ game or slam.


Edit: I was completely ignoring the brackets lol.

[helene_t]

Obviously it is a super accept but I don't think it can ever be right to force to the four level opposite what could be a weak flat hand. Double should maybe show a superaccept here.

[PhantomSac]

helene_t, on 2014-October-28, 02:29, said:

Obviously it is a super accept but I don't think it can ever be right to force to the four level opposite what could be a weak flat hand. Double should maybe show a superaccept here.

X is obv a super accept, if you happen have the hand to force to the four level opposite a transfer (which is like .01 % to happen but possible since it's a freebid eg xx AKxx AQxxx Kx maybe?) you can bid 4H lol

[kenrexford]

5 card support with a spade control. Maximum.

[helene_t]

PhantomSac, on 2014-October-28, 02:32, said:

you can bid 4H lol

Yeah, unless opps are joking we can't have slam anyway so why differentiate the superaccepts. OTOH maybe I want a spade lead against 5♣?

[whereagles]

3♠ means I opened 1NT on something like

AKxx
KJxx
Q
Axxx

But that's because I'm ok with opening 1NT on 4441. By the way, with club singleton the bid is 4♣.

Opposite a random I would guess he has

AKT9x
Kxx
AQx
xx

[nige1]

zheddh, on 2014-October-27, 21:39, said:

had a disagreement with p on this auction.
1N - (2C) - 2D - (3H) - 3S
1N 15-17
2C clubs and higher
2D transfer
3H club support
What does 3S mean for you in this auction?

IMO Good offensive hand with excellent ♥ support, ♠ values, preference for a ♠ lead, and probably off-shape for the 1N opener .e.g.
♠ K Q J x ♥ Q x x x x ♦ A x ♣ A x

PhantomSac, on 2014-October-27, 23:15, said:

Does not exist

DNE or DNU? Manifestly, the call exists, even if you wouldn't use it -- and even if you've agreed not to use it

[billw55]

PhantomSac, on 2014-October-27, 23:15, said:

Does not exist

Sure, but doesn't this just mean it is available for some use?

[helene_t]

billw55, on 2014-October-28, 07:42, said:

Sure, but doesn't this just mean it is available for some use?

No because any call other than pass or dbl would take us beyond the safety level. 7NT isn't available for some use, either

[whereagles]

Legal calls always exist. They may however be inconsistent with previous action and/or reckless.

[aguahombre]

whereagles, on 2014-October-28, 09:01, said:

Legal calls always exist. They may however be inconsistent with previous action and/or reckless.

Yes, but in fora or even in conversation, I would prefer 3 letters instead of several words.

[zheddh]

Thanks for your replies. I had AKQJx Kx Kxx xxx and bid 3S. Since X and 4C would be super accept for hearts, I didn't think 3S can be construed as heart support but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Post this bidding, I figured my hand has really improved. My reasons for bidding 3S were to introduce the suit for lead directing purposes if we defend clubs and introduce spades as a possible strain. 4S might make opposite xxx QJxxx QJxx x for example.

Will the fora pass with the hand I had or will you open something else in the first place?

[aguahombre]

zheddh, on 2014-October-29, 08:37, said:

Thanks for your replies. I had AKQJx Kx Kxx xxx and bid 3S. Since X and 4C would be super accept for hearts, I didn't think 3S can be construed as heart support but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Post this bidding, I figured my hand has really improved. My reasons for bidding 3S were to introduce the suit for lead directing purposes if we defend clubs and introduce spades as a possible strain. 4S might make opposite xxx QJxxx QJxx x for example.

Will the fora pass with the hand I had or will you open something else in the first place?

We are big believers in opening 1NT with a 5cM and 3-3-2 outside when it is in range. But, we also will select 1M instead with a hand so powerful it is worthy of a 2N rebid. So, the OP auction still would not exist for us because other 15-17's with 5 Spades would not want to do it.

Yeh, I believe AKQJX KX KXX XXX is too powerful for 1NT...all our points and the 5th Spade are tricks.

[beatrix45]

Rather complicated and unusual auction. 3♠ should represent a very strong ♥ fit (minimum of four cards), the ♠ ace, and a maximum hand. Opener is committing to 10 tricks whereas partner was only proposing a contract for 8 tricks. Granted, responder might have passed 2♣ with a bad hand, but he/she is not promising very much other than five ♥ and another high card or two. Opener may have three small clubs, relying on the opponents to have nine or ten between them.

Oops. Just read your subsequent post. Shame on you for opening 1NT. Double shame on you for compounding your initial error by bidding 3♠. Always remember, bidding is a language. Respect it, and it will reward you.

[KurtGodel]

billw55, on 2014-October-28, 07:42, said:

Sure, but doesn't this just mean it is available for some use?

You don't have to use all the sequences

[akwoo]

OP: Your 'opening 1N with a 5 card major' license has been revoked.