Non forcing, constructive. (ACBL CC)
#1
Posted 2015-January-13, 10:00
What is your understanding of NF Constructive, have you discussed it with your partner?
#2
Posted 2015-January-13, 10:42
jillybean, on 2015-January-13, 10:00, said:
Overcaller should bid again with an above average overcall, including one which has been improved by a fit for advancer's suit.
jillybean, on 2015-January-13, 10:00, said:
No. When I play NF/constructive advances I just hope our common understanding is close enough.
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#3
Posted 2015-January-13, 12:23
#4
Posted 2015-January-13, 12:30
I think overcaller should raise with a non-minimum overcall (10 or better).
Currently a cue bid is still forcing and not natural.
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#5
Posted 2015-January-13, 13:38
#6
Posted 2015-January-14, 05:20
Anyway, although NF, constructive is my preference, I will go along with partners who prefer forcing, so that the cue-bid guarantees support.
#7
Posted 2015-January-14, 08:31
If partner usually expects you to bid again except in
cases where your overcall is a minimum and the hands are misfitting,
check the “NFConst” box.
Sounds like forcing to me and a good discussion to have had with my partner.
#8
Posted 2015-January-14, 10:17
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#10
Posted 2015-January-14, 12:07
MrAce, on 2015-January-14, 10:17, said:
How do you keep change of suit NF, cue promises fit and jump shift=fit? What do you do with a big non-fitting hand? (I realise that it is somewhat unlikely that you hold one when lefty and partner have both bid, but it happens, so surely one must be able to bid it?)
#11
Posted 2015-January-14, 12:43
Vampyr, on 2015-January-14, 12:07, said:
It indeed rarely happens and when it does
a-I may bid the most likely game
b-I may lie about a fit unless I am void or stiff in his suit.
c-I may just bid my suit and take the risk of being passed.
I usually apply one of these 3 when I have a huge hand, depending on what I hold. When you take into consideration how rare they are as you stated and that after that rare instance one of these 3 not able to be applied is very tiny range of hands that I don't think anyone should be concerned about them.
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#12
Posted 2015-January-14, 13:26
#13
Posted 2015-January-14, 16:42
Vampyr, on 2015-January-14, 13:26, said:
Yes I play that with Shogi, it was standard in Biedemeijer (as I understand it, inspired by SEF, maybe some SEF expert here can comment on it).
#14
Posted 2015-January-15, 09:08
#15
Posted 2015-January-15, 09:50
Zelandakh, on 2015-January-15, 09:08, said:
Yes, we play the same in Spain, although my dad defines 2/1 as "forcing unless you overcalled on crap". And also worth noting that since 2/1 is NF, I play 3/1 forcing, so cuebid is always with fit.
#16
Posted 2015-January-15, 11:33