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♥ A9
♦ AJ103
♣ AQ97532
Pard you
1♠ ... 2♣ (F1)
3♠ ... ??
3♠ is 15-17 and good 6 card suit. Normally has no other 4 card suit.
4♦ now is undiscussed.
What now?
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Posted 2015-January-17, 03:13
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Posted 2015-January-17, 06:04
4♣ to tell my pd that I have lot more clubs than I showed previously and not impressed a lot by his 3 spades.
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Posted 2015-January-17, 07:04
Yes, 4C looks right here. If partner bids 4S I have a problem.
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Posted 2015-January-17, 07:54
4D is far better than 4C as it shows 2 features of my hand. I suspect many would play 4m as a cue bid.
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Posted 2015-January-17, 07:55
I know it is not answering the question, but just curious about the definition (and quite narrow one at that) of the 3S rebid.
Given that 2C is not GF I would simply have defined 3S as establishing a GF with a robust 6+ card suit. HCP undefined but not excluding 18-19, and I can imagine shapely hands where I would do it with 14. I suppose that 4S rebid should have a meaning, but pretty specific.
Given that 2C is not GF I would simply have defined 3S as establishing a GF with a robust 6+ card suit. HCP undefined but not excluding 18-19, and I can imagine shapely hands where I would do it with 14. I suppose that 4S rebid should have a meaning, but pretty specific.
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Posted 2015-January-17, 08:04
the hog, on 2015-January-17, 07:54, said:
4D is far better than 4C as it shows 2 features of my hand. I suspect many would play 4m as a cue bid.
Many would play 4D as a cue-bid but 4C not. That's why 4C is better.
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Posted 2015-January-17, 09:37
Tough one.
I'm tempted to shoot 6♣ and expect to have a play opposite a stiff. If partner converts to 6♠ it's not my problem anymore.
Could a non solid partnership bid 4♣ minus those red Aces? I've seen pick up pairs pass that bid.
I'm tempted to shoot 6♣ and expect to have a play opposite a stiff. If partner converts to 6♠ it's not my problem anymore.
Could a non solid partnership bid 4♣ minus those red Aces? I've seen pick up pairs pass that bid.
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Posted 2015-January-17, 10:21
Depends a bit on your philosophy on undiscussed bids... if you have a strict "undiscussed = natural" philosophy, then 4♦ is very attractive, showing extra values and significant shape (partner should expect us to bid 3NT on most 5♣4♦ hands and start with diamonds if we have 5-5...)
If there is a chance partner might mistake 4♦ for a cue, then 4♣ is probably the safer bid.
BTW, there are several bids I would rate more highly than 4NT RKCB that you did not mention, including 6♣. 4NT is a terrible bid.
If there is a chance partner might mistake 4♦ for a cue, then 4♣ is probably the safer bid.
BTW, there are several bids I would rate more highly than 4NT RKCB that you did not mention, including 6♣. 4NT is a terrible bid.
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Posted 2015-January-17, 13:34
I don't understand 4♦. Why show 5-6 when we have 4-7?
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Posted 2015-January-17, 14:02
Fwiw, had I bid 4♦, I would be more scared that pd will take it natural as oppose to taking it as a cue, when I hold this hand.
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"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
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Posted 2015-January-17, 18:41
cherdano, on 2015-January-17, 13:34, said:
I don't understand 4♦. Why show 5-6 when we have 4-7?
Bidding is a 2 way street. Perhaps you need to play a relay system. I wish the op had given us a little more information about his expectations of the 3S bid. When I see the rubbish that some posters bid 3S on on this site, we may not even have a game :-)
In the meantime I am going to show my partner that I have length in C and also have a D suit. Who says it needs to be 5?
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Posted 2015-January-18, 04:21
cherdano, on 2015-January-17, 13:34, said:
I don't understand 4♦. Why show 5-6 when we have 4-7?
Sometimes people bid suits to show shape, even though no fit is possible. I think most would agree that
1♣ 1NT
2♥
does not show a 6-5. But ok, this is at the two level.. I agree that at the FOUR level things should perhaps be different
For the record, in a past partnership of mine we used to play
1M 2x
3M 2x+1
as cue/slam invite. (We had a gadget for the hardest case: 1♠-2♥-3♠-??)
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Posted 2015-January-18, 17:57
Thx all.
Add these to your "bidding challenge" set:
♠
♥ A9
♦ AJ103
♣ AQ97532
♠ AQ10432
♥ Q43
♦ KQ5
♣ K
Add these to your "bidding challenge" set:
♠
♥ A9
♦ AJ103
♣ AQ97532
♠ AQ10432
♥ Q43
♦ KQ5
♣ K
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