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Overcalling a 3 level preempt with a strong 2 club opener Double, 3NT or Pass

Poll: Overcalling a 3 level preempt with a strong 2 club opener (15 member(s) have cast votes)

what would you bid?

  1. 3 NT (4 votes [26.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 26.67%

  2. Double (11 votes [73.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 73.33%

  3. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Something Else (Please Explain) (0 votes [0.00%])

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Posted 2015-February-03, 20:48



If I opened I would rebid 2NT, but since that would be insufficient I had to improvise...

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Posted 2015-February-04, 01:27

Double, but 3nt over pard's 3♠. 3nt might easily win though.
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Posted 2015-February-04, 01:41

The problem with saying double that I see is getting you past 3N in addition to facing this hand as a dummy making the K of H vulnerable to the lead. There is no doubt we have the right shape to double but this had is yelling NT to me.
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Posted 2015-February-04, 01:45

Not easy. I think I double and raise anything to game except that I cue over 4c - maybe p can show diamonds then by bidding 4nt? Immediately 3nt could easily be a better choice, though.

3n protects my kh and makes sure we don't bypass 3n when we shouldn't.

Dbl finds the spades fit and may reach slam if p can make a positive.
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Posted 2015-February-04, 02:02

Need more information. If lefty is a BBF'r I won't downgrade the heart King or worry about wrong siding.
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Posted 2015-February-04, 03:59

Dbl is perfectly normal and probably the right bid. Knowing myself, I would bid 3 NT at the table.
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Posted 2015-February-04, 04:46

The bid upside of double is when partner jumps to game and we find slam.
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Posted 2015-February-04, 09:58

 trevahound, on 2015-February-04, 01:27, said:

Double, but 3nt over pard's 3♠. 3nt might easily win though.


why 3NT over 3S? Partner should know we likely have a fit. Is this a Serious 3NT Bid?
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Posted 2015-February-04, 10:01

 aguahombre, on 2015-February-04, 02:02, said:

Need more information. If lefty is a BBF'r I won't downgrade the heart King or worry about wrong siding.


Lefty was a bot...
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Posted 2015-February-04, 10:02

 Fluffy, on 2015-February-04, 04:46, said:

The bid upside of double is when partner jumps to game and we find slam.


Yeah, missed the slam that's part 2 of this question...
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Posted 2015-February-04, 11:18

Thanks everyone for the comments, at least I didn't get "No no, none of those bids" this time. Let's fast forward in the auction to what I think was my crucial mistake...



Partner's positive response here had me thinking about slam, but we were now, as was pointed out, wrong sided against the heart lead.

How would you proceed to look for slam?

4♣ control showing cue bid

4NT looking for a 5♣ or 5NT response

5♠ voluntary 5 Bid

Bash straight to 6♠

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Posted 2015-February-04, 11:34

I am confused. Is preemptor on our right or our left?
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Posted 2015-February-04, 11:53

 helene_t, on 2015-February-04, 11:34, said:

I am confused. Is preemptor on our right or our left?

I think Lucy was holding the football again for Charlie Brown.
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Posted 2015-February-04, 12:09

 helene_t, on 2015-February-04, 11:34, said:

I am confused. Is preemptor on our right or our left?


Sorry helene_t, I was definitely in the balancing seat. I fixed my diagram's from today.
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Posted 2015-February-04, 12:19

 aguahombre, on 2015-February-04, 11:53, said:

I think Lucy was holding the football again for Charlie Brown.


Very apt, I must say. It definitely feels that way a lot. I don't have tons of free time, and trying to jam my questions in here when I am being interrupted over my lunch hour or in the evening when my kids should be getting my attention means I get distracted resulting in a lot of ID10T type errors. Add to that I am still still in over my head and trying to understand a lot of this and it's usually a recipe for disaster.
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