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Neg Double or 1NT (#2)

Poll: Neg Double or 1NT (#2) (28 member(s) have cast votes)

What action do you take? (any choice taken is assumed to be systemically consistent)

  1. Double (19 votes [67.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 67.86%

  2. 1NT (5 votes [17.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 17.86%

  3. Either is fine (4 votes [14.29%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  4. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   1eyedjack 

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Posted 2015-February-23, 11:41


Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.

Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mPosted ImagesPosted ImagetPosted Imager-mPosted ImagendPosted Imageing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.

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Posted 2015-February-23, 14:53

You can always bid NT; you can't always show a 4-card heart suit.
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Posted 2015-February-23, 15:14

I'd X. Can still show spade stopper later.

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Posted 2015-February-23, 17:46

 masonbarge, on 2015-February-23, 14:53, said:

You can always bid NT


Not after partner bids 2♣ when you hold this dreck.

I don't mind double but I like to limit my strength early which 1nt does.
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Posted 2015-February-23, 17:54

I opt for x however, change the minor distribution to 23 and I think 1N is safer.
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Posted 2015-February-24, 00:25

I may have to readjust my wetware as I seem to be against the tide. I just think that it is scant comfort to be able to show my Spade guard with 2N when 1N is the right spot. The penalties for going down are independent of denomination.
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.

Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mPosted ImagesPosted ImagetPosted Imager-mPosted ImagendPosted Imageing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.

"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"

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Posted 2015-February-24, 00:29

Double. Same reasoning as in previous thread.

The opponents do have the "high ground" holding the ♠ suit. They can win a competitive auction at the same level. However, if they do end up in a ♠ contract, you have a bit of a nasty surprise for them.
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Posted 2015-February-24, 00:33

 rmnka447, on 2015-February-24, 00:29, said:

Double. Same reasoning as in previous thread.

The opponents do have the "high ground" holding the ♠ suit. They can win a competitive auction at the same level. However, if they do end up in a ♠ contract, you have a bit of a nasty surprise for them.

Unless partner takes the push to the next level. Than you have a bit of a nasty surprise for partner.
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.

Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mPosted ImagesPosted ImagetPosted Imager-mPosted ImagendPosted Imageing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.

"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"

"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2015-February-26, 00:37

x will prompt a 2d bid from a 1345 12 count, unless a s raise prompts a 3d bid. inconvenient, but that's the kind of pard in modern life. so, 1n. not the end of the auction, just a way-station.
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Posted 2015-February-26, 05:21

Note that the major authority on negative doubles, Marty Bergen, teaches(and writes) that the 2♦ rebid promises a reverse(one round force).
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Posted 2015-February-26, 06:14

 BillPatch, on 2015-February-26, 05:21, said:

Note that the major authority on negative doubles, Marty Bergen, teaches(and writes) that the 2♦ rebid promises a reverse(one round force).


This is style dependent on the negative double, whether it in principle just shows the unbid major or as is more common over here than it is in the US, both unbid suits.
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Posted 2015-February-26, 07:23

http://www.bridgebas...post__p__728007 has an (outdated) list with the numerous times this has been discussed before..
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