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#1 User is offline   eagles123 

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Posted 2015-August-03, 09:55

Matchpoints 3rd in favourable opps aren't great but lefty is considerably better than righty

two passes to you

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you play 2/1 3 weak 2


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Posted 2015-August-03, 10:18

Call me primitive but I pass.

-5 card spades on the side is way too much for me to open 3.
-1 opening is not even a lead director.
-My hand perfectly fits in the definition of a pass.
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Posted 2015-August-03, 11:31

I will bid 3, giving up on 4, since I can't see any sensible way to get there.
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Posted 2015-August-03, 12:01

3c

Not much defense p is a passed hand and aiming for spades is a super small tiny window to worry about. It is all too easy for the opps to have game if not slam and at the very worst 3c is a decent lead director. Passing under these conditions is a head-in-the-sand philosophy:)
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Posted 2015-August-03, 13:05

I open 3.

In third seat after 2 passes, my goal is to disrupt the opps as much as possible without sticking my neck out too far. 3 accomplishes this.

It is not my goal to find the best possible contract, but rather the best contract possible. Could we have a spade fit? Sure we could. But it is impractical to look for it.



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Posted 2015-August-03, 14:51

I'm now thinking that given all the people voting for 3, I should probably have said 4. I have a reputation to uphold :)
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Posted 2015-August-03, 15:43

I'm not supposed to have a side 4c-M when opening 3m but I'm in 3rd and 5432 are so tiny vs my AQJT876. Oops I messed up again with those black pips!
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Posted 2015-August-03, 18:16

View Posteagles123, on 2015-August-03, 09:55, said:

Matchpoints 3rd in favourable opps aren't great but lefty is considerably better than righty. two passes to you
7 5 4 3 2 5 6 A Q J T 8 6
you play 2/1 3 weak 2
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Posted 2015-August-03, 19:00

3C, with 1C also considered. 1C leaves options, and a HCP misdirection may be as effective as a preempt.
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Posted 2015-August-03, 20:21

An ex-partner long ago tried 4S with this sort of a hand (mixing up a suggestion about what to do with a good 6 card major and weak 5 card minor). Easy +420.

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Posted 2015-August-03, 23:28

Spades are too weak to show, as lead in this suit is not what we'd like to got. I understand 3c, but if the opponents have unbalanced hands, it won't stop them from finding the game in hearts. That's why I would bid 1h.
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Posted 2015-August-04, 03:09

1S. Why should a 3rd seat opening be lead directing? 3C is a really silly opening with 5S as well. Second choice is pass, but I like to get in here.
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Posted 2015-August-04, 08:20

4C
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Posted 2015-August-04, 08:29

View PostPhantomSac, on 2015-August-04, 08:20, said:

4C

We knew that vote. Unfortunately, I am systemically barred from 4, so would have to settle for 3.
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Posted 2015-August-04, 08:39

View PostPhantomSac, on 2015-August-04, 08:20, said:

4C


looks like you're going to have to change your vote to 5c now, Jinksy :P

btw this hand was from a couple of weeks ago I opened 3c fwiw I was just thinking about it yesterday for some reason

full hand for those interested:
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Posted 2015-August-04, 10:08

View PostMrAce, on 2015-August-03, 10:18, said:

Call me primitive but I pass.

-5 card spades on the side is way too much for me to open 3.
-1 opening is not even a lead director.
-My hand perfectly fits in the definition of a pass.


Really? I have an agreement with partner that a 3rd seat 1 opener that is revealed to be weak later in the auction is most often a strong lead indicator, otherwise why bother. You haven't impeded their bidding and with marginal standard openings and poor clubs we can choose a decent 4-card major. Works out most of the time.

I can't stand to pass at these colors or to miss spades at mp's so 1 for me.
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Posted 2015-August-04, 11:23

View Posteagles123, on 2015-August-04, 08:39, said:

looks like you're going to have to change your vote to 5c now, Jinksy :P


I might make an exception to my 'bid one more than everyone else' rule for an aggressive Bermuda Bowl finalist :P
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Posted 2015-August-04, 12:45

When it comes to 3rd seat preempts, the only rule is 'there are no rules.'. You can pretty much do whatever you want, so a theoretically questionable bid becomes desirable if you think it rates to grant a tactical advantage.

The example hand is certainly an odd one. In all honesty I think I would try 4 (IMPs or matchpoints). Counting losers this is 'ballpark'. I'll have another guess to make if the opponents get to 4 (how they get there affects my choice) but for now I'll try to buy (read: 'steal') it.
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