[shyams]

At MPs, RHO intervenes with a 4♦ preempt over your partner's opening. Now what?

How high do you aspire to reach?

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[KurtGodel]

I was gonna make a raise but then I got high...

4♠ from me.

[manudude03]

4S, might miss slam, but pre-empts sometimes work.

[shyams]

 KurtGodel, on 2015-September-11, 09:10, said:

I was gonna make a raise but then I got high...

I couldn't get the tune out of my head. So I thought I'll use it in the title!

[hrothgar]

"High" is a dated metaphore. Its time to Get Schwifty!

https://www.youtube....h?v=IJdZt3py08U

I'm going to start with a negative double and see what happens next.

[gszes]

4n

I am a firm believer that this cannot be to play ---- some day I might have the right hand. The only logical meaning is rkc for spades so I opt for that. Neg x has some appeal but unless p is boring and min and wants to pass (that would be fine with me) we will lose a crucial insight concerning the spade Q if we wish to pursue slam. The 5 level rates to be safe given the bidding so slam exploration seems to be the way to go. If p can conjure up 2 aces and the trump Q (surely p will lie about ownership of the spade Q if they hold 7 spades right?)I am in 6 spades with less I will stop in 5s. If they have 3 and the trump Q I will hazard 7s <if they have the club K> 4n 5d (03) 5h 6c 7s figuring that just bidding a grand will be worth enough MP to make us happy.

[Winstonm]

 hrothgar, on 2015-September-11, 09:55, said:

"High" is a dated metaphore. Its time to Get Schwifty!

https://www.youtube....h?v=IJdZt3py08U

I'm going to start with a negative double and see what happens next.

I'm not sure what to do next but a simple 4S doesn't seem enough with the first round control of diamonds and the superior trump support.

[rmnka447]

4 ♠

You're sort of stuck because the preempt has made it difficult to do anything but bid game.

If you go past game to try for slam, there's no guarantee that 5 ♠ will be a safe resting place. It may make more often then not with possible hands that opener can hold. But any time you going off in 5 ♠, you're likely getting a bad result versus those in 4 ♠ making.

If you bid 4 ♠, you're likely to get no worse than an AVG- on the board. So this may be a board to take near average or more and save trying for average plus or better on some other boards.

[neilkaz]

I'll take the low road with 4♠ and I expect RHO to have a few cards for Red 4♦. On a bad day LHO is void and my ace♦ is quickly ruffed away. 4♠ doesn't bar PD from continuing if he has a good hand...ie in this case controls (aces) and a ♦ void.

[nige1]

shyams asks "At MPs, RHO intervenes with a 4♦ preempt over your partner's opening. Now what?"

I rank
1 4♠. Take the money.
2 Double. Confusing but could get 500 if partner can pass.
3 4NT. Optimistic. Bad breaks are likely. e.g. LHO may be ruffing ♦s.

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[shyams]

 hrothgar, on 2015-September-11, 09:55, said:

I'm going to start with a negative double and see what happens next.

North will bid 4♥ over the double. The problem still remains -- how high?

[hrothgar]

 shyams, on 2015-September-11, 16:38, said:

North will bid 4♥ over the double. The problem still remains -- how high?

With a double fit AND the possibility of playing in a 4-4 heart fit rather than a 5-4 spade fit, I am more than happy to risk the five level to explore 6.

I am now going to cue bid 5♦ and partner is well positioned to place the contract

[johnu]

OK, I jump to 6♥, a transcendental bid justified by seeing the hand records or overhearing the result from the next table.

Assuming I don't have any black magic in my bag of tricks, I bid a pedestrian 4♠.

[Jinksy]

 hrothgar, on 2015-September-11, 18:16, said:

With a double fit AND the possibility of playing in a 4-4 heart fit rather than a 5-4 spade fit, I am more than happy to risk the five level to explore 6.

I am now going to cue bid 5♦ and partner is well positioned to place the contract

I agree with X and 5♦, but I'd rather play in our 9 card suit. Sometime it will cost us a trick when we have exactly 11 + a potential heart ruff in our hand, but more often on this auction/hand I expect us to have a play for the 12th trick, but a bad trump split that could be difficult to pick up if we only have 8 of them.

[hrothgar]

 Jinksy, on 2015-September-13, 09:31, said:

I agree with X and 5♦, but I'd rather play in our 9 card suit. Sometime it will cost us a trick when we have exactly 11 + a potential heart ruff in our hand, but more often on this auction/hand I expect us to have a play for the 12th trick, but a bad trump split that could be difficult to pick up if we only have 8 of them.

I agree that a bad trump break could be a problem, however, the chance to pitch a club from hand on the long spade could be critical.
I am still steering towards 6!H

[zdedo]

for me I just bid 4♠ geting the msg we have fit and enough for game p can go for slam depending on his hand

[MrAce]

Negative double? With 4 card ♠ support? Now that really helps pd to evaluate his hand!

Some number of spades or 5♦ are our real options, depending on how aggressive you are.

Anyone who thinks playing a 4-4 ♥ fit when 5-4 6-4 was available, after one opponents rings the alarm bell, is misguided imo.
Anyone who thinks correcting 5♣ to 5♠ is a great job is misguided imo.

Forget about this hand, this is a great way to invite disaster in a lot of future hands, if dbl of 4 level preempts can contain 4 card support.
This is not a 1♠ - 4♠ bid. We are bidding 4♠ over 4♦. It does not mean we are weak.

[shyams]

The actual hand came up in a robot MP competition. The robot North held:
♠QT9863
♥J832
♦
♣AK9

Most Souths chose to bid 4♠ which made 11 tricks when opps forgot to take their ruff in ♥ (split 4-1).

[KurtGodel]

I think one of the bad features of our hand is the A♦, if we swapped that with any of our cards in the other suits we have a complete monster, but how useful is an ace facing a void/stiff?