MP
Annoying hand for this auction!
#1
Posted 2017-June-17, 03:18
MP
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#3
Posted 2017-June-17, 03:42
Passing is wussy, in my opinion. Bidding 3NT is suicide. And dbl. doesn't even enter the equation.
#4
Posted 2017-June-17, 04:45
The_Badger, on 2017-June-17, 03:42, said:
Passing is wussy, in my opinion. Bidding 3NT is suicide. And dbl. doesn't even enter the equation.
Don't be so sure about the stiff ♦ outside the USA and/or aggressive opponents. And if he does indeed have a stiff (or void) ♦, he already passed 2♦ as you mentioned, wouldn't you expect pd to balance with some values that are short of doubling 2♦?
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#5
Posted 2017-June-17, 05:10
#6
Posted 2017-June-17, 06:21
#7
Posted 2017-June-17, 06:35
MrAce, on 2017-June-17, 04:45, said:
Agree with everything you say. I looked at the hand for 10+ minutes before posting, and did write "is likely to have a singleton" knowing full well that East's raise could be on a doubleton, and/or West's initial opening could be a 5 card suit ♦AK1098 or similar.
But I'm with eagles123 and mcphee here that there are too many (boring) hands where 4♠ is a walk - or at worse a finesse - and partner can't balance.
#8
Posted 2017-June-17, 07:19
mcphee, on 2017-June-17, 06:21, said:
Pd can not have any hand with short ♦ and some values in pass out seat if he passes. Period. If you are believing that pd will pass with those hands and values, when he knows that we saw him pass over 2♦ and will not get too excited, then we can agree to disagree I guess because that means we belong to different worlds.
Pd can have, however, something like xx Qxxxxx x KQxx which you killed his easy 3 ♥ balancing with your 3♠
On this particular hand pd was in same mindset with you and did not balance, Held
QTx
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AKTxx
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#9
Posted 2017-June-17, 07:31
I give partner a chance to balance. If he can't, we may be in the best spot defending 3D.
#10
Posted 2017-June-17, 08:27
3♠ only takes 4 card support and a stiff diamond to be playable with very marginal values over there and down a couple in whatever could still be a decent score.
The field matters, ie. in a BBO speedball they are reasonably likely to bid on even after partner raises should that happen.
Game is indeed possible on minimal values with the QJx potentially a trick on offence via a ruffing finesse.
What is baby oil made of?
#11
Posted 2017-June-17, 17:55
#12
Posted 2017-June-18, 13:37
Preempts work sometime. The opponents bidding has put it to you on this hand.
The problem is that you have to compete at the 3 level and still don't know very much about the hand. You only know partner is presumably short in ♦ and couldn't bid. Responder could be preempting further, or, especially at matchpoints, could be raising with a good hand to make it difficult for you to compete in the majors. In the latter case, the responding handd could up to just shy of exploring for game -- Axx xx xxx AQJxx or similar.
So, to quote Dirty Harry, "Do you feel lucky today?"
Despite your 15 HCPs, you still have a 7 loser hand with a broken ♠ suit. The decision would be easier if you had KQJ98x AQ QJx xx still 15 HCP but with only 5 1/2 losers. I'd expect a large majority to compete with that hand. But this hand isn't near that good so it's a bit of a leap of faith if you compete with it.
It might be worthwhile to consider what other pairs might do. If 2 ♦-(P)-3 ♦ is a pretty normal option, then how many other pairs are likely to bid 3 ♠ with this hand? If you feel most pairs would have trouble doing so, then bidding 3 ♠ is shooting for a result. If you're right, you get a top. If not, you're likely to get a bad result. OTOH, passing likely gets you no worse than an average minus and may pay off big time if partner finds a reopening bid.
Pay your money take your choice.
#13
Posted 2017-June-18, 16:53
x = 6
3s = 5
3n = You know way more about this game than I do
I favor pass mainly because IF p can balance it gives us our best shot at getting to the right strain. There is risk involved with pass if p is bwaaaaaaaaak (a chicken) otherwise I would rate p closer to 10 rather then not quite 8.
There just isn't the urgency to bid a Nvul game here at MP so taking a probable plus defending 3d is hardly the worst idea in the world.
this is posted after the fact but it is beyond imaginable that p did not balance over 3d. The KNOW u have values just from the bidding. If they fail to balance with these types of hands you are going to have to take all kinds of risks in direct seat.
Your p should not be afraid to balance because they can always correct a 3s bid to 4c w/o misleading you into thinking they have a monster hand.
#14
Posted 2017-June-19, 07:22
#15
Posted 2017-June-19, 09:24
-gwnn