9 - 4 Monster hand LOL How would you bid?
#1
Posted 2019-March-08, 22:08
♦ AJ102
Recently on BBO I was dealt this hand on a practice table.
All other players were robots and partner dealt and Passed in first position. Right hand opponent opened the bidding at 1 ♣.
I actually laughed out loud and stared at this hand for a few minutes, wondering how I would bid this hand in live bridge in an established partnership. I have to admit that with over 30 years of playing I can't figure out a way to have an absolutely forcing auction establishing ♥ as trumps (and do I really want to do this)? Maybe partner has KQxxx ♦ and a void ♥.
Other than slipping a note under the table and asking partner, "Do you have the Kx ♥ and Kx ♦?" (just kidding) Is there any way to bid this hand in any bidding system in existence?
PS. At the table I just bid 6 ♥. What and how would you bid?
Cheers
#2
Posted 2019-March-09, 02:06
Instead of aiming at 6H, my goal would be to convince opps to defend 5HX. Starting with 1H could do that. Hoping partner can X the S in case Im outwitted after playing Im the smartest guy around the table vs a brutal high-level H bid like you did.
#3
Posted 2019-March-09, 07:05
Partner might even respond diamonds...
if not then we have plenty of options, psychic and not.
#6
Posted 2019-March-09, 13:12
One point that no one pointed out is that these rare goulash type hands are not really conductive to any type of constructive bidding agreements.
Remember my partner passed in first position so I believe that I can safely rule out that he has a goulash type hand also. Right hand opponent could have a very strong goulash type hand; I would rule out a weak goulash hand by his 1 ♣ opener. My real fear is left hand opponent. Where are the ♠?
1 ♥ bid - logical and certainly gives the most chance to find out with partner what "magic" cards they hold ie. K ♥and K ♦. I believe that I would be more likely to choose this approach if my ♥ were ♠ instead. I agree that the bidding is most unlikely to die out at the one level. The problem that I see with this bid is wondering what I'm trying to accomplish. Do I believe that I have a chance of accomplishing my goals with keeping my bidding low? I know the ops have a ♠ fit, the only question is how good of a ♠ fit.
4 ♥ bid - sorry it just feels sooooooo weak to bid this. If this is our hand I'll kick myself for bidding this and making 6 and if it is ops hand I'll kick myself for bidding this on my first opportunity if left hand op bids 4 ♠
3 ♣ (Unusual 2NT) bid - 2 suiter on a 9-4... - I admit that I didn't think of this bid. Probably partner will prefer ♦ given my difference in suit lengths. OK what next, do I take it as an act of faith that this shows a real fit? Can't partner have 3-1 in ♦ ♥?
In a perfect world I would be able bid X for take out, cue bid ♣ to show a strong hand and bid ♥ to show my ♥ suit and a game-force hand. Afterwards I guess I could have an asking bid in ♦ to find out about the KQ of ♦. I can't figure out a way to do this under the 6 level, even without any interference from ops in ♠ or ♣.
Thank you all sincerely for all the replies.
#7
Posted 2019-March-09, 14:37
TheoKole, on 2019-March-09, 13:12, said:
It's consistent with system but I'm not sure it gives the most chance of anything, unless you have the agreement that a later 4NT by you is RKCB for your own suit.
TheoKole, on 2019-March-09, 13:12, said:
2NT would show hearts and diamonds for most of us, I think. He can't have hearts and is free to raise diamonds with 3-card support, which is all we need to get in there and find out those elusive red honours. Assuming that he will not blindly reconvert a hearts slam to grand in diamonds of course.
#8
Posted 2019-March-09, 14:50
#9
Posted 2019-March-09, 16:56
#10
Posted 2019-March-10, 11:35
Thinking about the hand again, I believe that I would have started with a 1♠ bid if I had ♠♦ in hand instead of ♥♦, mainly because I would know that I can always outbid the opponents (if I choose to do so) whether or not I am bidding to make or as a sacrifice.
#14
Posted 2019-March-10, 16:59
TheoKole, on 2019-March-09, 13:12, said:
6♥ is a reasonable gamble. There's a reasonable chance that opponents sacrifice, even when 6♥ is unmakeable. There 's a complementary danger that partner holds ♥K and dutifully raises to 7♥ (with, say, ♠ J x x ♥ K x x ♦ x x ♣ K Q x x x).
Terence Reese posed a relevant bidding problem: Suppose you hold all 13 ♣s, vulnerable, as dealer. What would you open in 1st seat? Terence advises that your main aim is to win the declaration. He suggests that you walk the dog with a pre-empt of 4♣ or 5♣. If opponents compete and you bid again, opponents may not realize that you are on a cinch. If you open with anything lower, and continue competing, then opponents might be more suspicious and they have plenty of space to discover their fits. If you open with 6♣ or 7♣ trusting opponents are likely to sacrifice.
#15
Posted 2019-March-11, 18:46
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In an untried partnership I would agree that yes this could be a danger. In a practiced partnership, in which each partner knows the others tendencies I believe this would be eliminated. My partner would know, that I had already have placed him with 1 and only 1 "magic card", to give a reasonable chance to make the contract. A 6 ♥ bid is basically asking partner to shut up and pass. A 4 ♥ bid would have done the same thing, this type of bid should be extremely rare. As long as partner knows and trusts your judgement and knows that you have a very good reason(s) for shutting him out of the auction, then they should pass.
If I had 12 solid tricks in my hand I would not be making a 6 ♥ bid, I would either bid 7 ♥ or have some other bidding sequence. In any experienced partnership with me my partner would know this.
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I rank
1. 4♥ = NAT. On hands like these, often the main goal is to win the auction in a playable contract.
2. 1♥ = NAT. Unlikely to end the auction.
3. 3♣ = ART. Assuming that you have the agreement that this shows a good hand and good suit. Asking for a stop, in the 1st instance.
4. 6♥ = NAT. Brave.
5. Double = T/O. Risks partner converting to penalties, with good ♣s