[Winstonm]

What now?

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Basic 2/1. 2S is weak. Game is imp pairs.

[mw64ahw]

X with 19 total points.

[pescetom]

With preferred partner I would have opened 1NT, which may discredit anything I say further.
What does 1♦ show/deny here?

[edit: erroneously wrote 2♦ previously]

[Winstonm]

 pescetom, on 2021-August-11, 15:14, said:

With preferred partner I would have opened 1NT, which may discredit anything I say further.
What does 2♦ show/deny here?

I don't understand the question. Do you mean if responder had bid 2D? If so, it would have been a strongi-ish jump shift along the lines of Soloway jump shifts.

[pescetom]

 Winstonm, on 2021-August-11, 15:42, said:

I don't understand the question. Do you mean if responder had bid 2D? If so, it would have been a strongi-ish jump shift along the lines of Soloway jump shifts.

My apologies, typing in the dark under mosquito attack. Intended 1D.

[jillybean]

Double. I'm not ashamed of my hand and ee must show the 4 hearts, tiny as they are.

[mikeh]

Can’t answer without knowing methods

What do would 2N show here? What would double mean?

I play support doubles, but even if in use, some wouldn’t play them after 1D, as opposed to 1M, and some only play them through 2 of responder’s suit.

Btw, they’re red v white and I think east has made an unlucky guess or an outright mistake. If double is penalty, this one is easy…and I’m leading clubs, not diamonds

If double is not penalty, I pass even if 2N were available, since we have several ways to win and fewer to lose

Partner may reopen. We may not have a making game.

This hand may play badly for us if partner is weak with almost all hcp in diamonds, and otherwise partner may be bidding….so long as I pass in tempo.

[LBengtsson]

the big question to ask is what you have bid if east had not bid 2♠???

I think hand is to strong to open 1NT in 2/1 if you are allowed with ♦A stiff. so you open 1♣, partner bids 1♦ and now what? 2♥(reverse) is a very bad bid with garbage suit, so you would have bid 2NT (18-19) ignoring poor 4 card ♥ suit or 1♥as you must always bid 4M at one level.

I hope I am playing with partner (responder) who bids 4 card ♥ suit before 5 card ♦ suit but that is down to method and agreements with partner. pass in tempo is an option after opps. bid 2♠ but I respect opps. and their 2♠ bid is not made on all garbage at red. but pass should only be used when you have not another bid available. here you have 2NT.

yes I would like to penalise the opps. but partner may not have the hand or the strength to re-open here. 2nt shows your hand. you would not be lying...

[smerriman]

 LBengtsson, on 2021-August-11, 17:11, said:

2nt shows your hand. you would not be lying...

Well, I would be, since it's quite common to play 2NT as artificial here (good/bad).

But the real key here is making sure you have a good understanding of what 2NT and double actually show in your partnership.

I posted a similar hand (not quite the same decision as this though) on BridgeWinners a little while ago, because I was a little unclear on how people would interpret a double.

[Winstonm]

To help with some answers - system calls for Walsh style 1 level responses, i.e., majors before diamonds unless strong enough to force. Support doubles but only if the rebid can be at the 2-level. No good/bad 2N used.

[Winstonm]

 pescetom, on 2021-August-11, 15:48, said:

My apologies, typing in the dark under mosquito attack. Intended 1D.

Walsh style responses.

[Winstonm]

 LBengtsson, on 2021-August-11, 17:11, said:

the big question to ask is what you have bid if east had not bid 2♠???

I think hand is to strong to open 1NT in 2/1 if you are allowed with ♦A stiff. so you open 1♣, partner bids 1♦ and now what? 2♥(reverse) is a very bad bid with garbage suit, so you would have bid 2NT (18-19) ignoring poor 4 card ♥ suit or 1♥as you must always bid 4M at one level.

I hope I am playing with partner (responder) who bids 4 card ♥ suit before 5 card ♦ suit but that is down to method and agreements with partner. pass in tempo is an option after opps. bid 2♠ but I respect opps. and their 2♠ bid is not made on all garbage at red. but pass should only be used when you have not another bid available. here you have 2NT.

yes I would like to penalise the opps. but partner may not have the hand or the strength to re-open here. 2nt shows your hand. you would not be lying...

Without 2S I would have rebid 1H.

[Winstonm]

Spoiler

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Full hand

[mw64ahw]

 Winstonm, on 2021-August-12, 07:54, said:

Spoiler

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Full hand

What happened to the 5♦ rebid by North?

[gszes]

2n

practical unless your system says it is not natural. Gives p a chance to bid 3d if all they have is something like KQxxxx diamonds and out. Would not hate 3n. Would prefer x here to be takeout with extra values (not using support x with diamonds).